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What is real football? I've heard of association football (shortened to soccer by the British), rugby football, Australian rules football, American football and

What is real football? I've heard of association football (shortened to soccer by the British), rugby football, Australian rules football, American football and Canadian football but I've never heard of real football.

mda 4y ago
I guess OP means The football that is played or watched by the majority of people in the world. Other football games have order(s) of magnitude less fans fwiw.
telmo 4y ago
And which one of those do you figure "real football" refers to? Can you take a wild guess? It's like saying "the real Albert Einstein", as opposed to good Albert Einstein the baker, who is a local celebrity because of his amazing Apfelstrudel. I guess it is confusing for Americans to find themselves as the cultural minority in some environment.
- vegasea 4y ago
  I was wondering if there was perhaps another variant of football that I had not heard of called "real football" since there are so many different types. So if real football simply refers to football then why did the OP ask: "Which football? Real football or American football?" if it's apparently so obvious?
  - morjom 4y ago
    swamp football, sincerely, Finland.
    - vegasea 4y ago
      That definitely looks like the most entertaining type of football!
- dgfitz 4y ago
  > I guess it is confusing for Americans to find themselves as the cultural minority in some environment. Confusing, no. Amusing that this is the hill you’re dying on, fucking hilarious. You go on ahead and own that.
- TMWNN 4y ago
  >And which one of those do you figure "real football" refers to? Can you take a wild guess? You no doubt believe that Newton, Henry VIII, Edward the Confessor, William the Conqueror, Canute, Arthur and Launcelot, and Boadicia 1) all played association football, 2) called it the one and only "football", and 3) all other "football" sports around the world are bastard versions of it. The word "Football" dates from the 13th century. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_%28word%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_%28word%29> The sport of association football, no. While people have no doubt been kicking round things for entertainment for thousands of years, association football as a sport is no older than other football codes like American, rugby, Gaelic, and AFL; all date from the mid to late 19th century. That's why English-speaking countries have differing meanings for "football", because it refers to the most local popular football code *no matter what that is*. Let me repeat: Association football has no primacy, seniority, or priority here. It is not the "first sport" or "the elder sport" or the "original sport" among football codes. >I guess it is confusing for Americans to find themselves as the cultural minority in some environment. "Cultural minority", eh? Among the major English-speaking peoples <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_(word)#National_usage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_(word)#National_usage>, *Brits are outnumbered—whether by population or number of countries—in terms of how they use "football".* "Soccer" is a British English word c. 1889. <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22633980 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22633980> According to Stephen Szymanski of the University of Michigan, until 1980 "soccer" and "football" were interchangeably used in Britain <https://web.archive.org/web/20140627210952/ns.umich.edu/Releases/2014/June14/Its-football-not-soccer.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20140627210952/ns.umich.edu/Rele...>, when "soccer" became less popular because of a mistaken belief that it is an Americanism. The word still is in use in Britain; see TV shows like Soccer Saturday. Let me repeat: The association and American varieties of football are merely two of several codes that all emerged in the mid-19th century from people in various countries attempting to formalize in some way the informal sport of "running with/kicking the leather-covered thing" that has existed for thousands of years. Not, as the average Briton who thinks the word "soccer" is a product of 1970s American culture vaguely believes, Americans seeing British association football in action and rudely deciding to change the "mother sport" by changing the shape of the ball and letting players carry it.
flohofwoe 4y ago
The one where the "foot" hits the "ball", as opposed to the others where hands and an egg is involved.
Larrikin 4y ago
Had this discussion in Japanese the other day. One sport is called soccer サッカー and the other is football in both languages, and then you just have to hear about European languages calling it something similar at companies with an international basis. If you really don't care about either you just call it アメフト so nobody is happy.

mda 4y ago

I guess OP means The football that is played or watched by the majority of people in the world. Other football games have order(s) of magnitude less fans fwiw.

telmo 4y ago

And which one of those do you figure "real football" refers to? Can you take a wild guess? It's like saying "the real Albert Einstein", as opposed to good Albert Einstein the baker, who is a local celebrity because of his amazing Apfelstrudel. I guess it is confusing for Americans to find themselves as the cultural minority in some environment.

vegasea 4y ago
I was wondering if there was perhaps another variant of football that I had not heard of called "real football" since there are so many different types. So if real football simply refers to football then why did the OP ask: "Which football? Real football or American football?" if it's apparently so obvious?
- morjom 4y ago
  swamp football, sincerely, Finland.
  - vegasea 4y ago
    That definitely looks like the most entertaining type of football!
dgfitz 4y ago
> I guess it is confusing for Americans to find themselves as the cultural minority in some environment. Confusing, no. Amusing that this is the hill you’re dying on, fucking hilarious. You go on ahead and own that.
TMWNN 4y ago
>And which one of those do you figure "real football" refers to? Can you take a wild guess? You no doubt believe that Newton, Henry VIII, Edward the Confessor, William the Conqueror, Canute, Arthur and Launcelot, and Boadicia 1) all played association football, 2) called it the one and only "football", and 3) all other "football" sports around the world are bastard versions of it. The word "Football" dates from the 13th century. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_%28word%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_%28word%29> The sport of association football, no. While people have no doubt been kicking round things for entertainment for thousands of years, association football as a sport is no older than other football codes like American, rugby, Gaelic, and AFL; all date from the mid to late 19th century. That's why English-speaking countries have differing meanings for "football", because it refers to the most local popular football code *no matter what that is*. Let me repeat: Association football has no primacy, seniority, or priority here. It is not the "first sport" or "the elder sport" or the "original sport" among football codes. >I guess it is confusing for Americans to find themselves as the cultural minority in some environment. "Cultural minority", eh? Among the major English-speaking peoples <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_(word)#National_usage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_(word)#National_usage>, *Brits are outnumbered—whether by population or number of countries—in terms of how they use "football".* "Soccer" is a British English word c. 1889. <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22633980 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22633980> According to Stephen Szymanski of the University of Michigan, until 1980 "soccer" and "football" were interchangeably used in Britain <https://web.archive.org/web/20140627210952/ns.umich.edu/Releases/2014/June14/Its-football-not-soccer.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20140627210952/ns.umich.edu/Rele...>, when "soccer" became less popular because of a mistaken belief that it is an Americanism. The word still is in use in Britain; see TV shows like Soccer Saturday. Let me repeat: The association and American varieties of football are merely two of several codes that all emerged in the mid-19th century from people in various countries attempting to formalize in some way the informal sport of "running with/kicking the leather-covered thing" that has existed for thousands of years. Not, as the average Briton who thinks the word "soccer" is a product of 1970s American culture vaguely believes, Americans seeing British association football in action and rudely deciding to change the "mother sport" by changing the shape of the ball and letting players carry it.

flohofwoe 4y ago

The one where the "foot" hits the "ball", as opposed to the others where hands and an egg is involved.

Larrikin 4y ago

Had this discussion in Japanese the other day. One sport is called soccer サッカー and the other is football in both languages, and then you just have to hear about European languages calling it something similar at companies with an international basis. If you really don't care about either you just call it アメフト so nobody is happy.