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How have mobile tickets stopped this? Wasn’t it always against the rules, even if possible when the middle station lacked barriers?

mnd999 4y ago
No, this was always part of the rules - unless you have an Advance ticket. And as far as I know that is still the case.
- xdfgh1112 4y ago
  I tried to use an off peak QR code ticket and it did not pass the gates and I was told I wasn't allowed to do it, the ticket rules did not mention it either. It is possible the staff just didn't know about the break in journey rule, I was too tired to fight it at the time.
  - switch007 4y ago
    Our ticketing system is so incredibly complex, and train companies aren't always interested in educating their staff, so unfortunately very frequently the staff get it wrong
  - mnd999 4y ago
    Yeah, it's still in the conditions of carriage (https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/National%20Rail%20Conditions%20of%20Travel.pdf https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/National%20Rail%20Conditions%...) - Section 16. I don't think gate line staff are well trained on stuff like this though.
    - plugin-baby 4y ago
      > You may also end your journey (in either direction in the case of a return Ticket) before the destination shown on the Ticket. TIL, thanks! On a related note, I found out the hard way that (some?) airlines don’t let you use a return flight if you missed the outbound leg.
      - lbriner 4y ago
        Yeah, I missed my outbound Air Canada flight at LHR after my coach broke down and when I asked about getting a ticket for a later flight, the rep told me that they "weren't supposed to" sell returns if you weren't planning to use both legs even though they were cheaper than a single but she sold me one anyway, just told me to make-up a return leg and then just don't turn up! Pretty bad really, I guess an example of where the theory of balancing the numbers doesn't match up with the reality that is obscene that they can gouge you for less service, I think it should ultimately be "admin overhead" + "flight(s)". Most people accept that a single can't always be half of a return but it should always be noticeably cheaper.
        ghaff 4y ago
        In my experience, travel between Europe and the US is particularly random. Sometimes, open jaw flights are perfectly fine in terms of pricing. Other times, I've had to jump through hoops of one sort or another to do a round-trip from a single city because one-way flights were so expensive relative to the round trip.
      - ghaff 4y ago
        Yes, airlines will typically cancel the whole trip if you just don't show up for the outbound leg. I have, on rare occasions, not shown up for the return flight because just buying a new one-way ticket for a new date/time was cheaper than rescheduling the existing return leg. I don't think you're actually supposed to do that either.
switch007 4y ago
> Wasn’t it always against the rules No. Many return fares explicitly allow a break of journey - especially non-advance fares. It is the introduction of single-only fares which will have a greater impact than mobile fares.

mnd999 4y ago

No, this was always part of the rules - unless you have an Advance ticket. And as far as I know that is still the case.

xdfgh1112 4y ago
I tried to use an off peak QR code ticket and it did not pass the gates and I was told I wasn't allowed to do it, the ticket rules did not mention it either. It is possible the staff just didn't know about the break in journey rule, I was too tired to fight it at the time.
- switch007 4y ago
  Our ticketing system is so incredibly complex, and train companies aren't always interested in educating their staff, so unfortunately very frequently the staff get it wrong
- mnd999 4y ago
  Yeah, it's still in the conditions of carriage (https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/National%20Rail%20Conditions%20of%20Travel.pdf https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/National%20Rail%20Conditions%...) - Section 16. I don't think gate line staff are well trained on stuff like this though.
  - plugin-baby 4y ago
    > You may also end your journey (in either direction in the case of a return Ticket) before the destination shown on the Ticket. TIL, thanks! On a related note, I found out the hard way that (some?) airlines don’t let you use a return flight if you missed the outbound leg.
    - lbriner 4y ago
      Yeah, I missed my outbound Air Canada flight at LHR after my coach broke down and when I asked about getting a ticket for a later flight, the rep told me that they "weren't supposed to" sell returns if you weren't planning to use both legs even though they were cheaper than a single but she sold me one anyway, just told me to make-up a return leg and then just don't turn up! Pretty bad really, I guess an example of where the theory of balancing the numbers doesn't match up with the reality that is obscene that they can gouge you for less service, I think it should ultimately be "admin overhead" + "flight(s)". Most people accept that a single can't always be half of a return but it should always be noticeably cheaper.
      - ghaff 4y ago
        In my experience, travel between Europe and the US is particularly random. Sometimes, open jaw flights are perfectly fine in terms of pricing. Other times, I've had to jump through hoops of one sort or another to do a round-trip from a single city because one-way flights were so expensive relative to the round trip.
    - ghaff 4y ago
      Yes, airlines will typically cancel the whole trip if you just don't show up for the outbound leg. I have, on rare occasions, not shown up for the return flight because just buying a new one-way ticket for a new date/time was cheaper than rescheduling the existing return leg. I don't think you're actually supposed to do that either.

switch007 4y ago

> Wasn’t it always against the rules No. Many return fares explicitly allow a break of journey - especially non-advance fares. It is the introduction of single-only fares which will have a greater impact than mobile fares.