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The "Rust Evangelism Strike Force" isn't actually a thing that exists. From my understanding the term was created as a self-deprecating meme by some Rust users

The "Rust Evangelism Strike Force" isn't actually a thing that exists. From my understanding the term was created as a self-deprecating meme by some Rust users to describe other Rust users. It's not a core policy and basically all serious Rust users don't do any of the alleged activities claimed to happen. They're too busy actually writing software.

yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
Er, it's not a formal thing, but it's absolutely an emergent phenomenon that exists. Every single discussion on HN about either software vulnerabilities or C will have comments asserting that everything must be rewritten in rust. I would believe that it's not from "serious Rust users", but someone will show up to say it.
- Ygg2 4y ago
  It exists in same way every C developer is a sweaty greybeard. It's a meme.
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simplotek 4y ago
> The "Rust Evangelism Strike Force" isn't actually a thing that exists. (...) It's not a core policy and basically all serious Rust users don't do any of the alleged activities claimed to happen. If that was remotely true how do you explain the Actix episode?
- mlindner 4y ago
  Some over zealous Redditors doing Redditor things. That's where it started anyway. There was no coordinated effort. Probably some people from 4chan as well.
  - simplotek 4y ago
    > Some over zealous Redditors doing Redditor things. Except that this was not a Reddit problem, was it? This was a problem created by the Rust community that showcases exactly the "Rust Evangelism Strike Force" behavior we're talking here. Would it made it a Mastodon problem if the Rust fundamentalists opted to use that to drive their relentless attacks? It wouldn't, would it? I mean, it surely wasn't a GitHub problem when these Rust evangelists started harassing the maintainer through bug reports, which was the place where it all actually took place.
  - Ygg2 4y ago
    I do remember Actix using every trick in the book and huge amounts of unsafe to basically win at TechEmpower benchmarks. People threw a fit, and it got patched. Then afterwards it seems maintainer didn't accept any (unsafe?) patches and was harrassed by Rust Reddit community to the point of leaving.
    - simplotek 4y ago
      > People threw a fit, and it got patched. By "people threw a fit" you mean the Rust community put up a relentless harrasment campaign targeting the project author, even to the point where they involved their employer, and ultimately forced the maintainer to give up on FLOSS and abandoned the project altogether.
      - Ygg2 4y ago
        > By "people threw a fit" I mean I saw it on Reddit, guy got panned for abusing unsafe and bunch of unsafe were patched out. That's it as far as what I am aware of. > Rust community put up a relentless harrasment campaign targeting Don't judge community (especially one you don't know) by their worst member. Rust community didn't all agree and made a pact to harass/dox that guy. Few assholes did. Trying to generalize this behavior to entirety of Rust community is disingenuous. Imagine if I started saying all programmers were wife killers, because some programmers killed their wifes.
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- snorrah 4y ago
  Dare I ask what this Actix episode is all about?
  - simplotek 4y ago
    Sure. * https://www.theregister.com/2020/01/21/rust_actix_web_framework_maintainer_quits/ https://www.theregister.com/2020/01/21/rust_actix_web_framew... * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33391344 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33391344
detaro 4y ago
I don't think people ending up on the wrong end of it particularly care if it's an actual organization or just an emergent "feature" of doing things in a space somewhat adjacent to Rust.
bitwize 4y ago
It was actually coined by the n-gate guy as a description of how some Hackernews descend upon a thread to advocate for Rust, typically proposing that something be rewritten in the language because muh memory safety. The Rust community just picked it up. as self-deprecating humor.
aap_ 4y ago
Pretty sure it came from n-gate.com

yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago

Er, it's not a formal thing, but it's absolutely an emergent phenomenon that exists. Every single discussion on HN about either software vulnerabilities or C will have comments asserting that everything must be rewritten in rust. I would believe that it's not from "serious Rust users", but someone will show up to say it.

Ygg2 4y ago
It exists in same way every C developer is a sweaty greybeard. It's a meme.

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simplotek 4y ago

> The "Rust Evangelism Strike Force" isn't actually a thing that exists. (...) It's not a core policy and basically all serious Rust users don't do any of the alleged activities claimed to happen. If that was remotely true how do you explain the Actix episode?

mlindner 4y ago
Some over zealous Redditors doing Redditor things. That's where it started anyway. There was no coordinated effort. Probably some people from 4chan as well.
- simplotek 4y ago
  > Some over zealous Redditors doing Redditor things. Except that this was not a Reddit problem, was it? This was a problem created by the Rust community that showcases exactly the "Rust Evangelism Strike Force" behavior we're talking here. Would it made it a Mastodon problem if the Rust fundamentalists opted to use that to drive their relentless attacks? It wouldn't, would it? I mean, it surely wasn't a GitHub problem when these Rust evangelists started harassing the maintainer through bug reports, which was the place where it all actually took place.
- Ygg2 4y ago
  I do remember Actix using every trick in the book and huge amounts of unsafe to basically win at TechEmpower benchmarks. People threw a fit, and it got patched. Then afterwards it seems maintainer didn't accept any (unsafe?) patches and was harrassed by Rust Reddit community to the point of leaving.
  - simplotek 4y ago
    > People threw a fit, and it got patched. By "people threw a fit" you mean the Rust community put up a relentless harrasment campaign targeting the project author, even to the point where they involved their employer, and ultimately forced the maintainer to give up on FLOSS and abandoned the project altogether.
    - Ygg2 4y ago
      > By "people threw a fit" I mean I saw it on Reddit, guy got panned for abusing unsafe and bunch of unsafe were patched out. That's it as far as what I am aware of. > Rust community put up a relentless harrasment campaign targeting Don't judge community (especially one you don't know) by their worst member. Rust community didn't all agree and made a pact to harass/dox that guy. Few assholes did. Trying to generalize this behavior to entirety of Rust community is disingenuous. Imagine if I started saying all programmers were wife killers, because some programmers killed their wifes.
      - 4y ago
snorrah 4y ago
Dare I ask what this Actix episode is all about?
- simplotek 4y ago
  Sure. * https://www.theregister.com/2020/01/21/rust_actix_web_framework_maintainer_quits/ https://www.theregister.com/2020/01/21/rust_actix_web_framew... * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33391344 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33391344

detaro 4y ago

I don't think people ending up on the wrong end of it particularly care if it's an actual organization or just an emergent "feature" of doing things in a space somewhat adjacent to Rust.

bitwize 4y ago

It was actually coined by the n-gate guy as a description of how some Hackernews descend upon a thread to advocate for Rust, typically proposing that something be rewritten in the language because muh memory safety. The Rust community just picked it up. as self-deprecating humor.

aap_ 4y ago

Pretty sure it came from n-gate.com