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Shaking Ordinary Ice (Hard) Transformed It into Something Never Seen Before
- gaudat 4y agoSay no to clickbait media. The paper quoted in the article is https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abq2105 https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abq2105
- quietbritishjim 4y agoIn fairness, a reputable newspaper summarising an academic article for a general audience is not "clickbait". For most people, "the compression of MDA at low temperature leads to a sharp increase of its recrystallization enthalpy, highlighting that H2O can be a high-energy geophysical material" (that's just from the abstract) is not really accessible. In this case, the article isn't even open access.
- mikewarot 4y ago>a high-energy geophysical material Is there some heat of fusion delta from "regular" ice that means this can store a large amount of energy?
- yetihehe 4y agoFrom article: "But compressing MDA and then releasing the pressure and heating it released a large burst of energy. That energy, released as the amorphous ice recrystallizes, could set off icequakes, for example." Probably not large, but enough to melt some surrounding normal ice? Or causes material to expand rapidly by several percent?
- ghaff 4y ago"Clickbait" as a term is mostly a lazy putdown that needs to die unless it's something in the vein of "5 amazing facts about $X, you won't believe #3." Newspapers and articles (and book titles) have been using headlines to hook readers since before there were clicks and there's really nothing wrong with wanting to engage an audience. Not everything is "just the facts."
- andrewstuart2 4y agoThis headline still feels like click bait to me. They've just swapped in "something new" for what might have been "this." At the very least, it doesn't really summarize anything about the conclusion but leaves you unable to decide if the article is interesting enough for your time without further reading. Headlines should generally give you information ("Titanic Sinks Four Hours After Hitting Iceberg"), and help you decide whether you want to read the full story.
- ghaff 4y agoHeadline styles vary. Look at a print version of The Economist for example. The subhead/dek does tend to be a summary but the actual hed is often some sort of clever wordplay.
- phyzome 4y agoThe phrase "transformed it into something never before seen" is pretty sus. They made ice... into more different ice. It's not like they made it into iridescent smoke or something. A more honest headline would be something like "Researchers succeed in creating a new kind of amorphous ice". Not as exciting? Too bad! That's because it isn't as exciting as the misleading thing.
- ghaff 4y agoHaving a grad degree in material science I personally understand the distinction between amorphous and crystalline ice and might find that headline intriguing. I suspect it would be a turnoff for the average Times reader.
- fnordpiglet 4y agoDo you find the times article bait and switch? My reading was it is something never seen before, and I found it interesting and exciting and the properties discussed seemed unique (the pressure+heat=lots of energy particularly). But as an expert in the field, is the headline over stating the result to entice clicks?
- Slighted 4y ago>a reputable newspaper Hardly.
- rntn 4y agoGeneral audience summary by a university involved in this research from last week, posted 3 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34646625 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34646625
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- g42gregory 4y agoWait, are implying to say no to the venerable New York Times? Did you not know that this is a "newspaper of record" with "all news that fit to print"?
- shagie 4y agoPaywall bypassing gift link - https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/03/science/new-ice-glass.html?unlocked_article_code=3TkcR5RoXLDkGrY24M2WewIdGsTkZkf9iflYonjBCJ9ZZnaW92HjZ_rqfDrbOG0W9LlxLXNaNTgtjn49Vb3CrswM6ef8kaZnkrr_bUQvr0sANFaoRGYO6QUgTIAeyqRNGMU5x7GzY-2PoOGS7kVeWryNgsTdUnDp0qUwP3I1PIoRJ6-kxzbl8QkkXwLSzr1tNXtq-kO8FKkRZFI_8HnkVOLlNFYThdUXcfbjhFLXS1aGgAXHMgaVQoxmns016haEGllfVl-hcZqe_k00vPcjNqIG3jEuB4IUKbSQwcvta6s_cARieLO390sECnFeRkFaKy3Vt4vSFA&smid=share-url https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/03/science/new-ice-glass.htm...
- kmstout 4y agoDisabling JavaScript works well, too.
- miqueturner 4y agothanks
- pkage 4y agohttps://archive.is/Lklc1 https://archive.is/Lklc1
- Wowfunhappy 4y agoAs someone who loves eating ice (and who loves eating snow even more, I'll leave out a cup while it's snowing and then eat the contents with a spoon), the only thing I could think of while reading this was "I wonder what it would taste like."
- water-your-self 4y agoEating ice is a symptom of iron deficiency, it warrants mentioning
- metadat 4y agoI was skeptical, but it's a thing: https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/what-is-pagophagia https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/what-is-pagophagia
- jrmg 4y agoIn case anyone else was getting nervous: “If you occasionally enjoy crunching on leftover ice cubes, such as when you finish a fountain drink, that isn’t pagophagia. Chewing on ice only becomes pagophagia when the drive to chew ice is intense and persistent.”
- GLGirty 4y agoTomorrow's follow up: Scientists Discover New Form of Brain Freeze.
- seandoe 4y agoson, is that you?
- therein 4y agoSnow is really high in aluminum content. I'd do what you describe maybe back in our childhood days but perhaps not anymore. https://youtu.be/-KJqf8MU-2U?t=22 https://youtu.be/-KJqf8MU-2U?t=22
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- layer8 4y agoDisappointed they didn’t say how MDA behaves in a drink.
- twobitshifter 4y agoWith the same density as water it should suspend in the glass, which could nicely keep the ice away from your teeth.
- isaacg 4y agoThey mention that "The water ice was first chilled in liquid nitrogen to minus 320 degrees Fahrenheit" (77K). The paper mentions that the new phase of ice reverts to something less interesting when heated to 140K (-207F).
- claytongulick 4y agoSo they finally discovered ice-9? (Obligatory hat tip to Vonnegut)
- fl0ps 4y agoAlready happened: https://www.zmescience.com/science/news-science/ice-seven-alien-ice-423432/ https://www.zmescience.com/science/news-science/ice-seven-al...
- justinlloyd 4y agoI read the article. I read the abstract and skimmed the paper. And understood only a little. I sat, and I thought, and contemplated the duck on my desk... Now what happens if we do the same thing with not quite "frozen" iron? Carbon? Other materials? What happens if we start mixing cocktails of materials that are known to not easily bind? What happens if we vary the temperature over time? What happens with different numbers of balls? What happens if we shake (a lot), and then stir a little in one direction, and then shake (a lot) and then stir a little in the opposite direction? What happens if we shake and then add another batch and then shake some more at a different frequency? What happens if we don't use balls but dodecahedrons? __(o)= \___) "That's nice." said the duck on my desk. "I cannot even begin to answer any of those questions. But that's where the fun of life is."
- colechristensen 4y agoMetallurgy is all about manipulating the crystal structure and microstructure of materials with games of temperature and additions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microstructure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microstructure In steel it's about wandering around the iron-carbon phase diagram with specific times and temperatures to get a wide range of effects. https://fractory.com/iron-carbon-phase-diagram/ https://fractory.com/iron-carbon-phase-diagram/
- TechBro8615 4y agoSo is chocolaturgy, which was the first example of a "phase transition map" shown in the (surprisingly fun) course on materials science that I took in college. https://soft-matter.seas.harvard.edu/index.php/The_Science_of_Chocolate:_interactive_activities_on_phase_transitions,_emulsification,_and_nucleation https://soft-matter.seas.harvard.edu/index.php/The_Science_o...
- ChrisMarshallNY 4y agoOMG! They made Ice-nine! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Cradle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Cradle
- satvikpendem 4y agoWell, Ice IX already exists, interestingly enough [0]. Here are all the other forms of ice [1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_IX https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_IX [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice#Phases https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice#Phases
- ChrisMarshallNY 4y agoVonnegut's Ice-nine was terrifying, though. Viral, room-temperature ice. Spoiler: everyone dies in the end.
- microtherion 4y agoWriting up a proposal for a research grant to explore the all-important follow-up question: What if you put this into a Margarita?
- kcplate 4y agoThat’s nice, but will it give me a clear ice ball for my bourbon?