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That was my question though I obviously put it too lightly for the killjoys here this evening. We have seen a number of very close ATC calls, including recentl

That was my question though I obviously put it too lightly for the killjoys here this evening. We have seen a number of very close ATC calls, including recently at JFK. Curious to see hard numbers if there are more incidents or just more eyes/coverage of similar incident numbers. We all know flying has been crazy the last couple years, maybe understaffed, overstretched, cutting corners trying to turn flights, etc?

AdamJacobMuller 4y ago
HN does not like people who point out the "quiet quitting" idea.
- WrtCdEvrydy 4y ago
  I think ATC is overworked and there hasn't been as many advances in technology in that sector as well as under training for years. Honestly surprising that planes don't collide more often, the world around us relies on airplanes for logistics but everything about the entire aviation field from pilots to mechanics is a battle of never having enough people.
- bobkazamakis 4y ago
  "quiet quitting" is just starting to be used as a substitute for "the lack of our workers ability to feed themselves and focus on their work is starting to impact job performance"
bobthepanda 4y ago
ATC has been understaffed since at least the Reagan administration so there's nothing particularly new here. the job is demanding with crazy hours for the wages. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/08/22/airl-a22.html https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/08/22/airl-a22.html
davidh92 4y ago
To be fair, the one that happened at JFK isn't looking like it was ATCs fault, but rather a possible pilot deviation. Maybe ATC could have caught it earlier? I don' think a report has been produced yet. But in general there is some concern in the industry due to the COVID induced reduced number of flights in the last years, which led to less "day to day work/practice" for both ATC and crew. Simulator trainings don't always necessarily cut it.

AdamJacobMuller 4y ago

HN does not like people who point out the "quiet quitting" idea.

WrtCdEvrydy 4y ago
I think ATC is overworked and there hasn't been as many advances in technology in that sector as well as under training for years. Honestly surprising that planes don't collide more often, the world around us relies on airplanes for logistics but everything about the entire aviation field from pilots to mechanics is a battle of never having enough people.
bobkazamakis 4y ago
"quiet quitting" is just starting to be used as a substitute for "the lack of our workers ability to feed themselves and focus on their work is starting to impact job performance"

bobthepanda 4y ago

ATC has been understaffed since at least the Reagan administration so there's nothing particularly new here. the job is demanding with crazy hours for the wages. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/08/22/airl-a22.html https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/08/22/airl-a22.html

davidh92 4y ago

To be fair, the one that happened at JFK isn't looking like it was ATCs fault, but rather a possible pilot deviation. Maybe ATC could have caught it earlier? I don' think a report has been produced yet. But in general there is some concern in the industry due to the COVID induced reduced number of flights in the last years, which led to less "day to day work/practice" for both ATC and crew. Simulator trainings don't always necessarily cut it.