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You have NATO already providing training, signal intelligence, communications, weapons, advisory personnel and volunteers in Ukraine. Russia is already saying

You have NATO already providing training, signal intelligence, communications, weapons, advisory personnel and volunteers in Ukraine. Russia is already saying it’s in a limited war with NATO. Germany is already saying it’s at war with Russia. What I suggest is actually the F-22 is being using for signal intelligence over the Black Sea; helping guide in missles. Such as this attack https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62500560 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62500560 Which Ukraine didn’t claim credit for (initially anyway, not sure if they ever did). Ukraine can even fire a missile and 50 miles off the coast (in international waters) an F-22 can guide it in.

krainboltgreene 4y ago
> Germany is already saying it’s at war with Russia. A german politician said they are at war and since then Berlin "has repeatedly stressed that it wants to avoid the NATO alliance becoming a party to the conflict." This is a stretch.
ceejayoz 4y ago
> What I suggest is actually the F-22 is being using for signal intelligence over the Black Sea NATO recon planes far more capable than the F-22 (RC-135s, for example; https://news.yahoo.com/russian-fighter-jet-fired-off-143246466.html https://news.yahoo.com/russian-fighter-jet-fired-off-1432464...) are flying regularly over the Black Sea already. No one needs an F-22 to guide missiles to a known airbase. It doesn’t move; GPS will hit the targets you can clearly see on Google Maps to within feet of where you want. > Russia is already saying it’s in a limited war with NATO. Sure. They also said they didn’t have troops in Crimea, and that they weren’t planning an invasion of Ukraine. It’s a weak attempt at explaining their poor performance.
dragonwriter 4y ago
> What I suggest is actually the F-22 is being using for signal intelligence over the Black Sea That would be silly, we have planes that are specialized for SIGINT gathering, the F-22 is not one of them. We certainly have SIGINT aircraft operating near Ukraine, but they aren’t F-22s. > helping guide in missles. That’s not SIGINT, but something like an airborne forward observer for artillery/missiles. Which is less improbable than SIGINT, but still… > Such as this attack Ukraine has attacked airbases much farther from its current lines of control, deep inside Russia proper, with Soviet-era drones converted to loitering munitions. It is far more likely that they did the same thing in Crimea than that they conducted some kind of long range attack with F-22’s providing terminal targeting for some kind of SARH/SALH missile. Even more likely than even that is that they used the Ukraine-developed-and-manufactured Neptune anti-ship cruise missile (the same reported to have been used against the Russian Black Sea fleet flagship), that has inertial/GPS guidance for land attack, and sufficient range to have hit that base from well within Ukraine-controlled territory at that time.

krainboltgreene 4y ago

> Germany is already saying it’s at war with Russia. A german politician said they are at war and since then Berlin "has repeatedly stressed that it wants to avoid the NATO alliance becoming a party to the conflict." This is a stretch.

ceejayoz 4y ago

> What I suggest is actually the F-22 is being using for signal intelligence over the Black Sea NATO recon planes far more capable than the F-22 (RC-135s, for example; https://news.yahoo.com/russian-fighter-jet-fired-off-143246466.html https://news.yahoo.com/russian-fighter-jet-fired-off-1432464...) are flying regularly over the Black Sea already. No one needs an F-22 to guide missiles to a known airbase. It doesn’t move; GPS will hit the targets you can clearly see on Google Maps to within feet of where you want. > Russia is already saying it’s in a limited war with NATO. Sure. They also said they didn’t have troops in Crimea, and that they weren’t planning an invasion of Ukraine. It’s a weak attempt at explaining their poor performance.

dragonwriter 4y ago

> What I suggest is actually the F-22 is being using for signal intelligence over the Black Sea That would be silly, we have planes that are specialized for SIGINT gathering, the F-22 is not one of them. We certainly have SIGINT aircraft operating near Ukraine, but they aren’t F-22s. > helping guide in missles. That’s not SIGINT, but something like an airborne forward observer for artillery/missiles. Which is less improbable than SIGINT, but still… > Such as this attack Ukraine has attacked airbases much farther from its current lines of control, deep inside Russia proper, with Soviet-era drones converted to loitering munitions. It is far more likely that they did the same thing in Crimea than that they conducted some kind of long range attack with F-22’s providing terminal targeting for some kind of SARH/SALH missile. Even more likely than even that is that they used the Ukraine-developed-and-manufactured Neptune anti-ship cruise missile (the same reported to have been used against the Russian Black Sea fleet flagship), that has inertial/GPS guidance for land attack, and sufficient range to have hit that base from well within Ukraine-controlled territory at that time.