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Yes. Most every one of those invasions was preceded by international diplomacy and coalition building. China/Russia dont care for the UN or building consensus

Yes. Most every one of those invasions was preceded by international diplomacy and coalition building. China/Russia dont care for the UN or building consensus with allies. They are willing to just go on the word of a supreme leader. We might not like the outcomes, but the US does accept that the international stage is governed by rules. That is why a country like canada feels no threat from the US wheras every country bordering China/Russia lives under threat.

pigsty 4y ago
I don’t think people in central and South America, Vietnam, the Middle East, and so on were happy when diplomacy and coalitions were built against them to instate dictatorships and/or kill millions. America satisfies its allies. Those Allies are happy to be the enemies of China and Russia for financial benefits and some border protection . Who, despite your comment, do build consensus with their allies and they’re content with being enemies of the US also in exchange for financial benefits and border protection. All 3 countries have their own spheres of influence and all 3 project themselves to be heroes while one of the others is a villain at all times. The OP is right here—jingoism on HN because of a balloon is something beyond what is normal here.
- mlindner 4y ago
  You didn't respond to their post in any way. The comment was about rules-based international orders.
  - pigsty 4y ago
    Rules being what their allies agree on. Each of those countries get a bunch of allies who readily say what they’re doing is just while their opposing country isn’t following any sort of international protocol.
SantalBlush 4y ago
>China/Russia dont care for the UN or building consensus with allies. The US has made the same unilateral invasions that Russia has, and without approval of the UN. Almost everything you've said here is false.
- sandworm101 4y ago
  In the last 100 years, Which US invasions were unilateral? Even panama is a stretch given the diplomatic history prior re the cannal. There has been nothing like crimea/ukraine.
  - fspeech 4y ago
    100 years ago the Philippines was an American colony.
    - sandworm101 4y ago
      So? Three hundred years ago the US was a British colony. Canada was technically a UK colony until the 1980s. The history of colonies and empires is interesting but not particularly relevant to international relations today. Countries don't buy and sell other counties anymore. Hong Kong was perhaps the last.
      - dragonwriter 4y ago
        > Three hundred years ago the US was a British colony. Strictly, parts of the modern US were separate British colonies (colonies of the Kingdom of Great Britain, not the UK, which is newer.) > Canada was technically a UK colony until the 1980s Largely, it should be noted, because the Canadian provinces couldn’t agree on a method for amending the Constitution domestically to replace British Parliamentary authority. > Countries don't buy and sell other counties anymore I mean, Trump wanted to buy Greenland, but generally overt sale of inhabited territory is somewhat passé. Less direct means of buyingn coubtries are still, at least, actively pursued, if not always successful.
      - fspeech 4y ago
        Isn't this what you asked rhetorically a little while ago: "In the last 100 years, Which US invasions were unilateral?"
  - SantalBlush 4y ago
    The US went ahead with the Iraq War after failing to gain approval with the UN. That was when they made up their "Coalition of the willing" as a weak justification. You might say, "At least they sought approval in the first place, unlike Russia," but the fact that they ignored the UN decision shows that they weren't actually seeking international approval, or any sort of coalition. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/16/iraq.iraq https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/16/iraq.iraq

pigsty 4y ago

I don’t think people in central and South America, Vietnam, the Middle East, and so on were happy when diplomacy and coalitions were built against them to instate dictatorships and/or kill millions. America satisfies its allies. Those Allies are happy to be the enemies of China and Russia for financial benefits and some border protection . Who, despite your comment, do build consensus with their allies and they’re content with being enemies of the US also in exchange for financial benefits and border protection. All 3 countries have their own spheres of influence and all 3 project themselves to be heroes while one of the others is a villain at all times. The OP is right here—jingoism on HN because of a balloon is something beyond what is normal here.

mlindner 4y ago
You didn't respond to their post in any way. The comment was about rules-based international orders.
- pigsty 4y ago
  Rules being what their allies agree on. Each of those countries get a bunch of allies who readily say what they’re doing is just while their opposing country isn’t following any sort of international protocol.

SantalBlush 4y ago

>China/Russia dont care for the UN or building consensus with allies. The US has made the same unilateral invasions that Russia has, and without approval of the UN. Almost everything you've said here is false.

sandworm101 4y ago
In the last 100 years, Which US invasions were unilateral? Even panama is a stretch given the diplomatic history prior re the cannal. There has been nothing like crimea/ukraine.
- fspeech 4y ago
  100 years ago the Philippines was an American colony.
  - sandworm101 4y ago
    So? Three hundred years ago the US was a British colony. Canada was technically a UK colony until the 1980s. The history of colonies and empires is interesting but not particularly relevant to international relations today. Countries don't buy and sell other counties anymore. Hong Kong was perhaps the last.
    - dragonwriter 4y ago
      > Three hundred years ago the US was a British colony. Strictly, parts of the modern US were separate British colonies (colonies of the Kingdom of Great Britain, not the UK, which is newer.) > Canada was technically a UK colony until the 1980s Largely, it should be noted, because the Canadian provinces couldn’t agree on a method for amending the Constitution domestically to replace British Parliamentary authority. > Countries don't buy and sell other counties anymore I mean, Trump wanted to buy Greenland, but generally overt sale of inhabited territory is somewhat passé. Less direct means of buyingn coubtries are still, at least, actively pursued, if not always successful.
    - fspeech 4y ago
      Isn't this what you asked rhetorically a little while ago: "In the last 100 years, Which US invasions were unilateral?"
- SantalBlush 4y ago
  The US went ahead with the Iraq War after failing to gain approval with the UN. That was when they made up their "Coalition of the willing" as a weak justification. You might say, "At least they sought approval in the first place, unlike Russia," but the fact that they ignored the UN decision shows that they weren't actually seeking international approval, or any sort of coalition. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/16/iraq.iraq https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/16/iraq.iraq