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No doubt Schrodinger and Planck were very smart physicists. That doesn't make either one an authority on consciousness. I would be willing to bet there are othe

No doubt Schrodinger and Planck were very smart physicists. That doesn't make either one an authority on consciousness. I would be willing to bet there are other revered physicists who held different opinions. Appeals to authority when the person isn't an expert in that field are terribly weak. Even after reading all the comments in the thread, I will restate what I said: one must define what they mean by consciousness before discussing it. Even in the example here, you are quoting people talking about consciousness without defining what they mean by it. It seems that you accept that most things that people would ascribe to consciousness, eg, the ability to perceive their environment, store and retrieve relevant information, to synthesize theories and plans, to incorporate those meta thoughts into higher order thoughts (ie, self-referential knowledge), etc, can be explained by materialistic considerations. But you have another thing that you also call consciousness that is definitionally mystical, something physical explanations can make zero inroads to explaining. Please give some concrete examples of what cannot ever be explained.

kkoncevicius 4y ago
> Appeals to authority when the person isn't an expert in that field are terribly weak. Hey, I agree. These were not as much appeals to authority as a reply to "your form of mysticism", just to get the focus off myself. > Please give some concrete examples of what cannot ever be explained. We can try it this way. We both look at a red apple. We both say it's "red". Can you device an experiment or some procedure to check wether we perceive red in the same way? Maybe what you see as "red" I see as "blue". Please note that this is not about which pathways fire upon seeing a light of a certain wavelength. Just assume we are both healthy and same regions are activated when looking at red light. Is the experience of red light the same for both of us and how to prove it, or check it?

kkoncevicius 4y ago

> Appeals to authority when the person isn't an expert in that field are terribly weak. Hey, I agree. These were not as much appeals to authority as a reply to "your form of mysticism", just to get the focus off myself. > Please give some concrete examples of what cannot ever be explained. We can try it this way. We both look at a red apple. We both say it's "red". Can you device an experiment or some procedure to check wether we perceive red in the same way? Maybe what you see as "red" I see as "blue". Please note that this is not about which pathways fire upon seeing a light of a certain wavelength. Just assume we are both healthy and same regions are activated when looking at red light. Is the experience of red light the same for both of us and how to prove it, or check it?