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The problems with AI-generated art seem like a catch-22. AI is inferior to human artists because it's not creative because it only remixes past work. But if you

The problems with AI-generated art seem like a catch-22. AI is inferior to human artists because it's not creative because it only remixes past work. But if you as an artist are doing more than remixing past work, why would you be afraid of being replaced by something that can't do what you do? If what you do is genuinely valuable then the market will reflect that and using AI tools will lose companies money instead of making it.

pessimizer 4y ago
An ATM can't do everything a bank teller can do, but it can replace 90% of them and halve the wages of the rest.
- yieldcrv 4y ago
  and it also won't try to sell on me a mortgage application when it sees the balance in my bank account, and just finish my deposit or withdrawal at the same quick speed bye humans.
- unnamed76ri 4y ago
  I’ve often wondered why banks keep needing to open new branches. We have online banking and ATMs. The one real time I needed to visit a bank branch in recent years was to open a bank account for my son and it was an absolute CHORE the way the bank handled new account creation.
  - poszlem 4y ago
    I upvoted your post, because that's how I feel as well, but that still reads as: "Tell me that you haven't spoken to a senior citizen without telling me..." It might be surprising to some, but old people actually also have needs and many of the modern solutions we create just do not work for them. Elderly individuals also have needs and often struggle with modern solutions designed for a younger demographic. My neighbor, who is elderly, frequently asks for help with his phone and struggles with the shift towards technology and the use of apps during the COVID-19 pandemic was especially painful time for him. He prefers to stick to traditional methods and is content with living a simple life, rather than adapting to new technological advancements. He will keep going to physical bank branches until they close the last one in our city.
    - unnamed76ri 4y ago
      That’s fair. But presumably the people who become senior citizens as time marches forward will be more comfortable with tech than present day senior citizens. There would be a tipping point where less people need in person services.
      - gremlinsinc 4y ago
        There are people retiring in the next decade, who entered the workforce in 92, when the internet began to take off, or even earlier but they grokked it pretty quick because they worked in tech fields, or programming, etc. I'm 43, and am a zennial, born analog, grew up digital. Most of the people I know who aren't technical, can do way more than the people their same age could 10 or 20 years ago. New tech pops up, they are still adopters, or I am anyways. I'm slowing down a little I guess (re: TikTok), but I still 'get' it, and could use it if I chose to. My point is, I think we're just about already there. My wife's dad who never had a smartphone before, or a laptop, etc got one after her mom died in 2020, and he's using it like its always been attached at the hip.
- causality0 4y ago
  An ATM can't do everything a bank teller can do, but it can replace 90% of them and halve the wages of the rest. What a fantastic example, because it's completely and utterly wrong. https://www.aei.org/economics/what-atms-bank-tellers-rise-robots-and-jobs/ https://www.aei.org/economics/what-atms-bank-tellers-rise-ro...
swatcoder 4y ago
One longer-term issue with this in the arts/coding space is that "remixing past work" is often the apprentice-level labor that's necessary on the road to originality and expertise. If we eviscerate the work available for entry-level artists and junior developers to practice on, we can expect much less practiced master-level talent in 10, 20, 50 years. And it's not clear that there's a practical economic incentive to stymie this short-term optimization and its long-term negative consequences.
GaggiX 4y ago
>it's not creative because it only remixes past work I have a feeling that even everything human beings create derives only from their own experience.
- gremlinsinc 4y ago
  Uniqueness can only exist in a bubble. Some tribe in Africa who's never been touched by the real world, may have unique stories - perhaps about constellations with different names than we've ever heard or some other weird concept. E.g. the Mayan Calendar was unique to the Mayans. The more dispersed we become, the more global (cats out of the bag on that), the more we are just a hodgepodge of our experiences. Its literally impossible to write something that hasn't been written before, either fully, or just by mashing maybe 4 different stories together. Even back in Shakespeare's day this was very true the majority of his work - and even the words he contributed to the English language were actually taken from Greek/Roman plays, and ideas and their language. Art imitates life imitating art imitating life, etc.

pessimizer 4y ago

An ATM can't do everything a bank teller can do, but it can replace 90% of them and halve the wages of the rest.

yieldcrv 4y ago
and it also won't try to sell on me a mortgage application when it sees the balance in my bank account, and just finish my deposit or withdrawal at the same quick speed bye humans.
unnamed76ri 4y ago
I’ve often wondered why banks keep needing to open new branches. We have online banking and ATMs. The one real time I needed to visit a bank branch in recent years was to open a bank account for my son and it was an absolute CHORE the way the bank handled new account creation.
- poszlem 4y ago
  I upvoted your post, because that's how I feel as well, but that still reads as: "Tell me that you haven't spoken to a senior citizen without telling me..." It might be surprising to some, but old people actually also have needs and many of the modern solutions we create just do not work for them. Elderly individuals also have needs and often struggle with modern solutions designed for a younger demographic. My neighbor, who is elderly, frequently asks for help with his phone and struggles with the shift towards technology and the use of apps during the COVID-19 pandemic was especially painful time for him. He prefers to stick to traditional methods and is content with living a simple life, rather than adapting to new technological advancements. He will keep going to physical bank branches until they close the last one in our city.
  - unnamed76ri 4y ago
    That’s fair. But presumably the people who become senior citizens as time marches forward will be more comfortable with tech than present day senior citizens. There would be a tipping point where less people need in person services.
    - gremlinsinc 4y ago
      There are people retiring in the next decade, who entered the workforce in 92, when the internet began to take off, or even earlier but they grokked it pretty quick because they worked in tech fields, or programming, etc. I'm 43, and am a zennial, born analog, grew up digital. Most of the people I know who aren't technical, can do way more than the people their same age could 10 or 20 years ago. New tech pops up, they are still adopters, or I am anyways. I'm slowing down a little I guess (re: TikTok), but I still 'get' it, and could use it if I chose to. My point is, I think we're just about already there. My wife's dad who never had a smartphone before, or a laptop, etc got one after her mom died in 2020, and he's using it like its always been attached at the hip.
causality0 4y ago
An ATM can't do everything a bank teller can do, but it can replace 90% of them and halve the wages of the rest. What a fantastic example, because it's completely and utterly wrong. https://www.aei.org/economics/what-atms-bank-tellers-rise-robots-and-jobs/ https://www.aei.org/economics/what-atms-bank-tellers-rise-ro...

swatcoder 4y ago

One longer-term issue with this in the arts/coding space is that "remixing past work" is often the apprentice-level labor that's necessary on the road to originality and expertise. If we eviscerate the work available for entry-level artists and junior developers to practice on, we can expect much less practiced master-level talent in 10, 20, 50 years. And it's not clear that there's a practical economic incentive to stymie this short-term optimization and its long-term negative consequences.

GaggiX 4y ago

>it's not creative because it only remixes past work I have a feeling that even everything human beings create derives only from their own experience.

gremlinsinc 4y ago
Uniqueness can only exist in a bubble. Some tribe in Africa who's never been touched by the real world, may have unique stories - perhaps about constellations with different names than we've ever heard or some other weird concept. E.g. the Mayan Calendar was unique to the Mayans. The more dispersed we become, the more global (cats out of the bag on that), the more we are just a hodgepodge of our experiences. Its literally impossible to write something that hasn't been written before, either fully, or just by mashing maybe 4 different stories together. Even back in Shakespeare's day this was very true the majority of his work - and even the words he contributed to the English language were actually taken from Greek/Roman plays, and ideas and their language. Art imitates life imitating art imitating life, etc.