Very cool! I also don't think he was actually one of the ATG people (I think they scooped him up, after that, though). He was in developer support, or some

Very cool! I also don't think he was actually one of the ATG people (I think they scooped him up, after that, though). He was in developer support, or something. Actually, he didn't even work for Apple at that time, though joined as a contractor later, he was demoing his own independent work.