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I would honestely have doubts giving an unvetted third party, openai through ChatGPT, access to any prorietery or business relevant information.

by hef19898 4y ago

jkaplowitz 4y ago
Agreed. One could however use a nonconfidential placeholder for the sensitive information and then replace it with the real information while revising the ChatGPT output.
- dogma1138 4y ago
  Even that isn’t enough since even if you use codenames there will be still enough complementary information to fill the gaps especially if OpenAI knows who you are and if you are coming out of a corporate network they probably have enough information based on your internet connection alone. So say you work for PharmaCorp and you are developing a new drug even if you turn the name of the drug into a code name and you ask OpenAI to write an email about say a failed or successful FDA approval process that’s more than enough for someone to take advantage of it and for you to get fired over it too…
  - SakiWatanabe 4y ago
    Isn’t this the case for all web services as well? Google doc, office 365, aws, Google cloud
    - hef19898 4y ago
      Assuming MS isn't conducting corporate espionage in their customers, I'd say no, not the same thing.
      - dariusj18 4y ago
        If they just use your questions as further training data, the information you send to them might make it into other people's hands.
    - dogma1138 4y ago
      No, both from a service and contractural and technical perspective using most SAAS is quite different than using ChatGPT currently. And overall there is a reason why the USG has their own private AWS zones…
      - SakiWatanabe 4y ago
        I see, may be OpenAI should offer a plan to promise only run inferencing and not inspect the data. Or may be collaborate with amazon to serve the model on private AWS zones.
        dogma1138 4y ago
        This is what Microsoft is doing by brining it to Azure. It will allow you to use the inference model and possibly even train it further on your data without having all the inputs that are going into ChatGPT right now serve as future training content.
    - layer8 4y ago
      Essentially, yes. One reason not to use them.
Idk__Throwaway 4y ago
Yeah I've seen a lot of people who seem to believe that the prompts they give ChatGPT aren't being cataloged and saved when they certainly are. It sends every prompt you give it to a server, by design it has to as the model is far too computationally expensive to run locally.
- sabellito 4y ago
  > Yeah I've seen a lot of people who seem to believe that the prompts they give ChatGPT aren't being cataloged and saved when they certainly are. Are you sure there are a lot of people who believe that? The UI literally saves the prompts on the left side.
  - hef19898 4y ago
    Well, there are enough people using it for work. So at the very least, they don't care about potentially leaking confidential information.
busyant 4y ago
> I would honestely have doubts giving an unvetted third party, openai through ChatGPT, access to any prorietery or business relevant information I have done this, but I fill sensitive information with bullshit terms. I have just uploaded the results for my analysis of <bullshit>. Some things to keep in mind. There was a request to highlight terms associated with <bullshit>. I have done so, please see the sections titled <bulshit, bullshit, and bullshit>.... Obviously, one can still worry that I may not have "redacted" enough information and that I'm still revealing sensitive information, but I'm comfortable with my ability to determine what's sensitive and what's not.
sorokod 4y ago
Depending on the industry and company this may be illegal and grounds for dismissal.
- hef19898 4y ago
  It would violate basically every confidentiality stipulations in any contract I ad in my career so far. I think there is one were it could even have got me jail, worst case. But then there are people leaking classified technical data about modern tanks on wargaming forums...
vbezhenar 4y ago
If a person uses Windows, Microsoft already has access to any information which was ever typed on this computer. Nobody cares about it, despite the fact that it's known that Windows can literally send keystrokes as telemetry data to its home. Why ChatGPT would be different? You either trust that corporations don't abuse their power or you don't engage in any IT.
- hef19898 4y ago
  If a company uses MS or any other aoftware, they have all.konda of liscense agreements and conyracts with those software providers. If an individual employee decides to use ChatGPT to write a report, the comoany does not have any of those in place with openai. That is a major difference.
giancarlostoro 4y ago
I give it really generic asks and it says things like [company name]

I would honestely have doubts giving an unvetted third party, openai through ChatGPT, access to any prorietery or business relevant information.

jkaplowitz 4y ago

Agreed. One could however use a nonconfidential placeholder for the sensitive information and then replace it with the real information while revising the ChatGPT output.

dogma1138 4y ago
Even that isn’t enough since even if you use codenames there will be still enough complementary information to fill the gaps especially if OpenAI knows who you are and if you are coming out of a corporate network they probably have enough information based on your internet connection alone. So say you work for PharmaCorp and you are developing a new drug even if you turn the name of the drug into a code name and you ask OpenAI to write an email about say a failed or successful FDA approval process that’s more than enough for someone to take advantage of it and for you to get fired over it too…
- SakiWatanabe 4y ago
  Isn’t this the case for all web services as well? Google doc, office 365, aws, Google cloud
  - hef19898 4y ago
    Assuming MS isn't conducting corporate espionage in their customers, I'd say no, not the same thing.
    - dariusj18 4y ago
      If they just use your questions as further training data, the information you send to them might make it into other people's hands.
  - dogma1138 4y ago
    No, both from a service and contractural and technical perspective using most SAAS is quite different than using ChatGPT currently. And overall there is a reason why the USG has their own private AWS zones…
    - SakiWatanabe 4y ago
      I see, may be OpenAI should offer a plan to promise only run inferencing and not inspect the data. Or may be collaborate with amazon to serve the model on private AWS zones.
      - dogma1138 4y ago
        This is what Microsoft is doing by brining it to Azure. It will allow you to use the inference model and possibly even train it further on your data without having all the inputs that are going into ChatGPT right now serve as future training content.
  - layer8 4y ago
    Essentially, yes. One reason not to use them.

Idk__Throwaway 4y ago

Yeah I've seen a lot of people who seem to believe that the prompts they give ChatGPT aren't being cataloged and saved when they certainly are. It sends every prompt you give it to a server, by design it has to as the model is far too computationally expensive to run locally.

sabellito 4y ago
> Yeah I've seen a lot of people who seem to believe that the prompts they give ChatGPT aren't being cataloged and saved when they certainly are. Are you sure there are a lot of people who believe that? The UI literally saves the prompts on the left side.
- hef19898 4y ago
  Well, there are enough people using it for work. So at the very least, they don't care about potentially leaking confidential information.

busyant 4y ago

> I would honestely have doubts giving an unvetted third party, openai through ChatGPT, access to any prorietery or business relevant information I have done this, but I fill sensitive information with bullshit terms. I have just uploaded the results for my analysis of <bullshit>. Some things to keep in mind. There was a request to highlight terms associated with <bullshit>. I have done so, please see the sections titled <bulshit, bullshit, and bullshit>.... Obviously, one can still worry that I may not have "redacted" enough information and that I'm still revealing sensitive information, but I'm comfortable with my ability to determine what's sensitive and what's not.

sorokod 4y ago

Depending on the industry and company this may be illegal and grounds for dismissal.

hef19898 4y ago
It would violate basically every confidentiality stipulations in any contract I ad in my career so far. I think there is one were it could even have got me jail, worst case. But then there are people leaking classified technical data about modern tanks on wargaming forums...

vbezhenar 4y ago

If a person uses Windows, Microsoft already has access to any information which was ever typed on this computer. Nobody cares about it, despite the fact that it's known that Windows can literally send keystrokes as telemetry data to its home. Why ChatGPT would be different? You either trust that corporations don't abuse their power or you don't engage in any IT.

hef19898 4y ago
If a company uses MS or any other aoftware, they have all.konda of liscense agreements and conyracts with those software providers. If an individual employee decides to use ChatGPT to write a report, the comoany does not have any of those in place with openai. That is a major difference.

giancarlostoro 4y ago

I give it really generic asks and it says things like [company name]