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I was not concerned about COVID, I was concerned about authoritarian politicians introducing meaningless restrictions which should have no place in democracy an

by petodo 4y ago

I was not concerned about COVID, I was concerned about authoritarian politicians introducing meaningless restrictions which should have no place in democracy and I was disgusted by majority of population which had no problem with them, I expected bigger disagreement despite having already very low meaning about society in general. I'm even less concerned about bird flu, but I'd be much more concerned about fascist politicians and their fascist supporters since it seems majority of society has no problem with fascism.

sofixa 4y ago
> I was not concerned about COVID, I was concerned about authoritarian politicians introducing meaningless restrictions which should have no place in democracy and I was disgusted by majority of population which had no problem with them, I expected bigger disagreement despite having already very low meaning about society in general. Pandemic prevention isn't a matter of authoritarianism vs democracy. Honestly, what do you think, the president of France imposed a lockdown because he likes the power trip? Maybe he does, or maybe, just maybe, there was an actual health crisis going on? Did you already forget the situation in Lombardy with the hospitals having to triage and leave people to die because they didn't have sufficient capacity? Did you forget the military hospitals being opened in parking lots to help with the load, and still tens of thousands of people dying, with draconian restrictions? Maybe you live in a country where things didn't get this bad - does it occur to you that maybe restrictions helped with that? The majority of the world's population understood the risks and accepted restrictions. Nobody dis it for fun or because they like being restricted. Epidemic prevention measures are nothing new, lockdowns and quarantines have been proven to work for centuries.
- petodo 4y ago
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  - sofixa 4y ago
    > There were countries like Sweden or Florida state which didn't fall for this mass hysteria, while it was clear already at that time it's inexcusable bad approach. Sweden, that had multiple times the excess deaths of its neighbours and the economic slowdown? So their sacrifice of their own citizens served no one. > Majority of world's population proven once again it's stupid falling for whatever current thing MSM push down their throat. This is legitimately one of the stupidest takes possible. WHO, the authority on pandemics, and a bunch of local health authorities made recommendations and decisions, which were sometimes criticised by various media, but MSM right? It doesn't get more mainstream than Fox News and Daily Mail and they sure criticised all anti-pandemic measures, including masks, social distancing, lockdowns, vaccines, etc.
  - moistly 4y ago
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    - dang 4y ago
      We've banned this account for egregiously breaking the site guidelines, and ignoring our requests to stop. I don't want to ban you, because you've also posted good comments, but even though we cut people slack for a long time (years, in some cases), it's not infinite. We can't allow people to flout the rules like this forever. I warned you about exactly this a few months ago (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33187599 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33187599) and you've continued to do it in multiple places (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34554221 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34554221). That's abusive and seriously not cool. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - deleted 4y ago
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      - moistly 4y ago
        Shame on you for supporting the clowns. Their anti-rational, anti health measures claims are detrimental to your site and your society. Protecting them from even mild criticism is clown moderation. Shame!
        dang 4y ago
        Other people being clowns, or you feeling that they are, does not make it ok to break HN's rules. In fact, these things are quite unrelated. It's common for people who get moderated or banned to feel like we're secretly siding with their enemies*, but there's no such implication or any basis to that. Moderation doesn't mean we "support" them or anyone else. * https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=%22always%20feels%22%20mods%20by%3Adang&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
  - dang 4y ago
    Flamewar comments will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
- kcplate 4y ago
  > Pandemic prevention isn't a matter of authoritarianism vs democracy. Honestly, what do you think, the president of France imposed a lockdown because he likes the power trip? Unfortunately you are not really arguing your point from a position of strength. Tyrannical behavior was rampant and it was intentionally done. Speaking from my US perspective, at almost every political level from the federal government down to local community politicians the pandemic seemed to create tyrannical behavior, and most of the little tyrants were centered around a specific political party. In my neighborhood of less than 200 homes, there is an “elected” board that controls the common areas (mainly arranges landscaping and maintenance). This board shut down access to common outdoor spaces (literally outdoor walking trails) and threatened to trespass residents if they used them. Democracy within the community would have resulted in those spaces being open. However, because the developer/builder controlled a voting majority, the board was stacked with people who followed the DNC playbook and refused to open the spaces for a full 8 months after our state lifted all restrictions and months after even the CDC knew that contracting the virus outside in sunshine alone was virtually impossible. >lockdowns and quarantines have been proven to work for centuries Quarantining the sick, yes. Quarantining the well…that was a bit unprecedented. This pandemic provided the political class with some pretty solid data on just how far and how long the general public will allow itself to be dominated by tyrants. Unfortunately, in my opinion, the general public accepted tyranny willingly and this will not bode well for the future.
  - sofixa 4y ago
    > Quarantining the sick, yes. Quarantining the well…that was a bit unprecedented. The well.. for an airborne illness with up to two weeks incubation period and frequent lack of symptoms? Many were sick and spreading and had no way of knowing, hence the abundance of caution.
    - kcplate 4y ago
      Ahh yes, the old “our intentions were good and virtuous even if the outcome of our actions was more harmful so we should be excused for our bad decisions” argument. That might be a valid excuse if the tyrants didn’t double and triple down on bad policies even after it became apparent that lockdown policies were more hurtful than helpful to the populace. Ignorance is an excuse until you are no longer ignorant.

by petodo 4y ago

sofixa 4y ago

> I was not concerned about COVID, I was concerned about authoritarian politicians introducing meaningless restrictions which should have no place in democracy and I was disgusted by majority of population which had no problem with them, I expected bigger disagreement despite having already very low meaning about society in general. Pandemic prevention isn't a matter of authoritarianism vs democracy. Honestly, what do you think, the president of France imposed a lockdown because he likes the power trip? Maybe he does, or maybe, just maybe, there was an actual health crisis going on? Did you already forget the situation in Lombardy with the hospitals having to triage and leave people to die because they didn't have sufficient capacity? Did you forget the military hospitals being opened in parking lots to help with the load, and still tens of thousands of people dying, with draconian restrictions? Maybe you live in a country where things didn't get this bad - does it occur to you that maybe restrictions helped with that? The majority of the world's population understood the risks and accepted restrictions. Nobody dis it for fun or because they like being restricted. Epidemic prevention measures are nothing new, lockdowns and quarantines have been proven to work for centuries.

petodo 4y ago
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- sofixa 4y ago
  > There were countries like Sweden or Florida state which didn't fall for this mass hysteria, while it was clear already at that time it's inexcusable bad approach. Sweden, that had multiple times the excess deaths of its neighbours and the economic slowdown? So their sacrifice of their own citizens served no one. > Majority of world's population proven once again it's stupid falling for whatever current thing MSM push down their throat. This is legitimately one of the stupidest takes possible. WHO, the authority on pandemics, and a bunch of local health authorities made recommendations and decisions, which were sometimes criticised by various media, but MSM right? It doesn't get more mainstream than Fox News and Daily Mail and they sure criticised all anti-pandemic measures, including masks, social distancing, lockdowns, vaccines, etc.
- moistly 4y ago
  [flagged]
  - dang 4y ago
    We've banned this account for egregiously breaking the site guidelines, and ignoring our requests to stop. I don't want to ban you, because you've also posted good comments, but even though we cut people slack for a long time (years, in some cases), it's not infinite. We can't allow people to flout the rules like this forever. I warned you about exactly this a few months ago (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33187599 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33187599) and you've continued to do it in multiple places (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34554221 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34554221). That's abusive and seriously not cool. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - deleted 4y ago
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    - moistly 4y ago
      Shame on you for supporting the clowns. Their anti-rational, anti health measures claims are detrimental to your site and your society. Protecting them from even mild criticism is clown moderation. Shame!
      - dang 4y ago
        Other people being clowns, or you feeling that they are, does not make it ok to break HN's rules. In fact, these things are quite unrelated. It's common for people who get moderated or banned to feel like we're secretly siding with their enemies*, but there's no such implication or any basis to that. Moderation doesn't mean we "support" them or anyone else. * https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=%22always%20feels%22%20mods%20by%3Adang&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
- dang 4y ago
  Flamewar comments will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
kcplate 4y ago
> Pandemic prevention isn't a matter of authoritarianism vs democracy. Honestly, what do you think, the president of France imposed a lockdown because he likes the power trip? Unfortunately you are not really arguing your point from a position of strength. Tyrannical behavior was rampant and it was intentionally done. Speaking from my US perspective, at almost every political level from the federal government down to local community politicians the pandemic seemed to create tyrannical behavior, and most of the little tyrants were centered around a specific political party. In my neighborhood of less than 200 homes, there is an “elected” board that controls the common areas (mainly arranges landscaping and maintenance). This board shut down access to common outdoor spaces (literally outdoor walking trails) and threatened to trespass residents if they used them. Democracy within the community would have resulted in those spaces being open. However, because the developer/builder controlled a voting majority, the board was stacked with people who followed the DNC playbook and refused to open the spaces for a full 8 months after our state lifted all restrictions and months after even the CDC knew that contracting the virus outside in sunshine alone was virtually impossible. >lockdowns and quarantines have been proven to work for centuries Quarantining the sick, yes. Quarantining the well…that was a bit unprecedented. This pandemic provided the political class with some pretty solid data on just how far and how long the general public will allow itself to be dominated by tyrants. Unfortunately, in my opinion, the general public accepted tyranny willingly and this will not bode well for the future.
- sofixa 4y ago
  > Quarantining the sick, yes. Quarantining the well…that was a bit unprecedented. The well.. for an airborne illness with up to two weeks incubation period and frequent lack of symptoms? Many were sick and spreading and had no way of knowing, hence the abundance of caution.
  - kcplate 4y ago
    Ahh yes, the old “our intentions were good and virtuous even if the outcome of our actions was more harmful so we should be excused for our bad decisions” argument. That might be a valid excuse if the tyrants didn’t double and triple down on bad policies even after it became apparent that lockdown policies were more hurtful than helpful to the populace. Ignorance is an excuse until you are no longer ignorant.