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PSA: lions mane supplements seem to have an antidote effect on the negative aspects of excess caffeine consumption (jitters, irritability, shortness of temper,

PSA: lions mane supplements seem to have an antidote effect on the negative aspects of excess caffeine consumption (jitters, irritability, shortness of temper, general agro-ness). Also seems to largely eliminate the headaches experienced in withdrawal. I never used to consume caffeine, now it's possibly my favorite mind-altering drug when combined with this otherwise seemingly pointless supplement.

matisseverduyn 4y ago
Those are all vitamin / mineral / electrolyte related symptoms (fairly serious long-term), and probably shouldn't be shrugged off or "flex-sealed" with drugs.
- pengaru 4y ago
  > Those are all vitamin / mineral / electrolyte related symptoms (fairly serious long-term), and probably shouldn't be shrugged off or "flex-sealed" with drugs. Oh please, when they're nonexistent except when you've downed six+ shots of espresso it's pretty clearly acute side effects of abusing the drug.
  - matisseverduyn 4y ago
    I learned this lesson the hard way after a decade of thinking that way too. But you sound pretty sure of yourself!
- ClassyJacket 4y ago
  Source? I don't believe that's true. Caffeine is a central nervous system stimulant, I believe the physical effects and anxiety are caused directly.
  - matisseverduyn 4y ago
    RAAS (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK470410 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK470410). Norepinephrine / cortisol, bone homeostasis / resorption. As well as smaller issues that, over time, cause anemia, and wreck your small intestine, liver, kidneys, pancreas, (ability to digest fats, absorb b-vitamins and fat-soluble vitamins).
eurasiantiger 4y ago
Caffeine and coffee are not the same thing. Coffee contains hundreds of psychoactive chemicals.
ClassyJacket 4y ago
L-theanine also reduces some of the negative effects of caffeine noticeably and improves focus specifically. It's naturally found in tea so one way to drink it with caffeine is simply to switch from coffee to tea.

matisseverduyn 4y ago

Those are all vitamin / mineral / electrolyte related symptoms (fairly serious long-term), and probably shouldn't be shrugged off or "flex-sealed" with drugs.

pengaru 4y ago
> Those are all vitamin / mineral / electrolyte related symptoms (fairly serious long-term), and probably shouldn't be shrugged off or "flex-sealed" with drugs. Oh please, when they're nonexistent except when you've downed six+ shots of espresso it's pretty clearly acute side effects of abusing the drug.
- matisseverduyn 4y ago
  I learned this lesson the hard way after a decade of thinking that way too. But you sound pretty sure of yourself!
ClassyJacket 4y ago
Source? I don't believe that's true. Caffeine is a central nervous system stimulant, I believe the physical effects and anxiety are caused directly.
- matisseverduyn 4y ago
  RAAS (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK470410 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK470410). Norepinephrine / cortisol, bone homeostasis / resorption. As well as smaller issues that, over time, cause anemia, and wreck your small intestine, liver, kidneys, pancreas, (ability to digest fats, absorb b-vitamins and fat-soluble vitamins).

eurasiantiger 4y ago

Caffeine and coffee are not the same thing. Coffee contains hundreds of psychoactive chemicals.

ClassyJacket 4y ago

L-theanine also reduces some of the negative effects of caffeine noticeably and improves focus specifically. It's naturally found in tea so one way to drink it with caffeine is simply to switch from coffee to tea.