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> But I would have had to work in their office in Manhattan, be in by 8:30am every day and not leave until after 5 at a miniumum. That’s what you said original

> But I would have had to work in their office in Manhattan, be in by 8:30am every day and not leave until after 5 at a miniumum. That’s what you said originally, which reads as mostly normal work hours, plus maybe some overtime. If it was 16 hours a day, then please say so.

jedberg 4y ago
Read the rest of the comment? > I wouldn't be allowed to take my laptop home, so if I had a hard problem to solve, I'd have to stay in the office the whole time. So basically they expected us to never see our family nor collaborate with anyone.
- albntomat0 4y ago
  I did. Myself and multiple other commenters all seem to be on the same page, that your original comment says the job required being in the office 8.5 hours per day, and does not allow work from home. Your follow up comments imply the expectations were an order of magnitude higher. The part you highlighted says you cannot work from home. That’s unrelated to the number of hours they expected you to work.
  - orf 4y ago
    I think it’s fairly obvious to anyone who has worked in or around finance that while the contractual hours are X, the work requires 2X hours, thus being unable to take your laptop home requires 2X hours in the office.
    - marssaxman 4y ago
      Perhaps it would have been helpful to actually say that given that this is not a forum aimed at or primarily populated by people who work in or around finance. In a general context, "8:30 to 5 and you can't work from home" sounds like a description of the standard 20th century business schedule.
      - orf 4y ago
        Are you really, truly not familiar with the idea that the finance industry stereotypically requires long hours and values work over all else, at an institutional level? OP could have spelled it out, but in any communication there is a level of shared knowledge. When you read a comment that you understand to be complaining about making nearly a million dollars whilst working 9/5 in the office, a more charitable path would be to examine your own context and shared knowledge, rather than exclaim loudly that OP is a bad person. Not that you did that, but others have.
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        marssaxman 4y ago
        I do know that finance people tend to be insane workaholics, but I was not aware that "software engineer who happens to work for a finance company" is a fundamentally different kind of job from "software engineer in the tech industry", with a different culture and harsher expectations. A blind spot, I suppose; I have spent my whole working life in the West Coast tech industry - though discussions on this site generally seem to share that cultural context.
        mort96 4y ago
        When OP wrote they were required to work in the office 8.5 per day, I assumed that they were required to work in the office 8.5 hours per day. I agree with the other guy, if OP meant to claim they were required to work 16 hours in the office per day, they should've spelled that out and not relied on people to guess.
        orf 4y ago
        They are required to work 8.5 hours a day. They are unfortunately, like many other jobs, expected to work more.
        mort96 4y ago
- r_hoods_ghost 4y ago
  So go home when you get to 5.00. Think. Come back to office at 8.30. Work. That's what most people do.
cm2187 4y ago
16h a day is more like m&a hours. I don't believe a second that a quant, let alone a dev, in a hedge fund does anywhere near that time. Having to work late on rare occasions is a completely different thing though, and is not "never seeing one's family". M&A guys never see their family, they do those hours consistently.

jedberg 4y ago

Read the rest of the comment? > I wouldn't be allowed to take my laptop home, so if I had a hard problem to solve, I'd have to stay in the office the whole time. So basically they expected us to never see our family nor collaborate with anyone.

albntomat0 4y ago
I did. Myself and multiple other commenters all seem to be on the same page, that your original comment says the job required being in the office 8.5 hours per day, and does not allow work from home. Your follow up comments imply the expectations were an order of magnitude higher. The part you highlighted says you cannot work from home. That’s unrelated to the number of hours they expected you to work.
- orf 4y ago
  I think it’s fairly obvious to anyone who has worked in or around finance that while the contractual hours are X, the work requires 2X hours, thus being unable to take your laptop home requires 2X hours in the office.
  - marssaxman 4y ago
    Perhaps it would have been helpful to actually say that given that this is not a forum aimed at or primarily populated by people who work in or around finance. In a general context, "8:30 to 5 and you can't work from home" sounds like a description of the standard 20th century business schedule.
    - orf 4y ago
      Are you really, truly not familiar with the idea that the finance industry stereotypically requires long hours and values work over all else, at an institutional level? OP could have spelled it out, but in any communication there is a level of shared knowledge. When you read a comment that you understand to be complaining about making nearly a million dollars whilst working 9/5 in the office, a more charitable path would be to examine your own context and shared knowledge, rather than exclaim loudly that OP is a bad person. Not that you did that, but others have.
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      - marssaxman 4y ago
        I do know that finance people tend to be insane workaholics, but I was not aware that "software engineer who happens to work for a finance company" is a fundamentally different kind of job from "software engineer in the tech industry", with a different culture and harsher expectations. A blind spot, I suppose; I have spent my whole working life in the West Coast tech industry - though discussions on this site generally seem to share that cultural context.
      - mort96 4y ago
        When OP wrote they were required to work in the office 8.5 per day, I assumed that they were required to work in the office 8.5 hours per day. I agree with the other guy, if OP meant to claim they were required to work 16 hours in the office per day, they should've spelled that out and not relied on people to guess.
        orf 4y ago
        They are required to work 8.5 hours a day. They are unfortunately, like many other jobs, expected to work more.
        mort96 4y ago
r_hoods_ghost 4y ago
So go home when you get to 5.00. Think. Come back to office at 8.30. Work. That's what most people do.

cm2187 4y ago

16h a day is more like m&a hours. I don't believe a second that a quant, let alone a dev, in a hedge fund does anywhere near that time. Having to work late on rare occasions is a completely different thing though, and is not "never seeing one's family". M&A guys never see their family, they do those hours consistently.