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I was laid off by kinder, gentler capitalism

17 points by herbertl 4y ago

incazteca 4y ago
I kind of expect this attitude from younger workers but it's baffling to see from someone who's been in the workforce longer.
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ElfinTrousers 4y ago
> The takeaway for some folks still at Salesforce is that working hard and doing everything right may not ultimately matter. Welcome to the real world.
ElfinTrousers 4y ago
> “Ohana” is a Hawaiian word that means “chosen family” and Marc’s term of affection for the Salesforce community. Come on, people, I'm trying to eat breakfast here.
ocimbote 4y ago
It does not even sound like sarcasm, I'm baffled.
- pcthrowaway 4y ago
  Writer is a marketing strategist. I suppose this is self-promotion in a way. The final paragraph: > So to circle back to the initial question, Really invokes Poe's law[1] though. I suspect, intentionally (those looking for it might see the satire, whereas the types of people who are meant to be impressed by the attitude and outlook will leave impressed) [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
  - 331c8c71 4y ago
    Not just a "marketing strategist", no less than > ... lead creative strategist on brand values communications for our Sustainability, Philanthropy, Equality and ethical technology teams and > ... lead content strategist on the Team Earth brand campaign, which espouses stakeholder capitalism ...
    - ElfinTrousers 4y ago
      So, a professional greenwasher, in other words.
      - gxnxcxcx 4y ago
        Must be real good, too. Judging by HN comments one would think they successfully washed away the stench of their Backpage work. They should be thankful they were coerced into sex work with tools of kinder, gentler capitalism.
        ElfinTrousers 4y ago
        I have no idea what you're talking about, and I suspect that makes two of us.
whatever1 4y ago
What the hell is this bootlicking attitude? You got laid off because the company did not have the balls to put you above their quarterly earnings report. They even time your layoff to better please the hawks at Wall Street.
- credit_guy 4y ago
  > did not have the balls to put you above their quarterly earnings report. And why would they put me (not the OP, but it applies to me too) above their earnings? I don't put them above my salary. People talk about loyalty. I don't have loyalty. As long as I work for an employer, I will give my best. But I don't feel any sort of duty to stay with an employer forever, and certainly to stick with an employer if another one can offer me a better deal. In my experience those who profess "loyalty" just can't get a job if they go on the job market. They stick with the current employer not out of a sense of loyalty, but just for a lack of alternatives. Given that, why should I expect anything else in return? As long as my employer considers that I add value, they'll pay me. When I don't, they'll cut me. They are not the Red Cross, or Mother Theresa. It's not personal, it's just business. Compassion, empathy, etc, should be the domain of charitable organizations, or of the government. Not of private enterprises.
  - solarmist 4y ago
    Yes, that is the current sentiment. This is not the way it was for boomers. Loyalty did work both ways. I completely disagree with your final statement. Compassion, empathy, etc. are the domains of ANY human activities and organizations. I'm not advocating for the way things were, but businesses must treat people like people and not factory parts.
    - whatever1 4y ago
      And let's not ignore the fact that if you have family or even just rent obligations you cannot just pack-up overnight and move to wherever the opportunity lies. (That is if your work is not fully remote)
    - 4y ago
blitzar 4y ago
According to Kübler-Ross, the five stages of grief, in order are: denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance. Let me know when the author gets to anger.

17 points by herbertl 4y ago

I kind of expect this attitude from younger workers but it's baffling to see from someone who's been in the workforce longer.

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ElfinTrousers 4y ago

> The takeaway for some folks still at Salesforce is that working hard and doing everything right may not ultimately matter. Welcome to the real world.

ElfinTrousers 4y ago

> “Ohana” is a Hawaiian word that means “chosen family” and Marc’s term of affection for the Salesforce community. Come on, people, I'm trying to eat breakfast here.

ocimbote 4y ago

It does not even sound like sarcasm, I'm baffled.

pcthrowaway 4y ago
Writer is a marketing strategist. I suppose this is self-promotion in a way. The final paragraph: > So to circle back to the initial question, Really invokes Poe's law[1] though. I suspect, intentionally (those looking for it might see the satire, whereas the types of people who are meant to be impressed by the attitude and outlook will leave impressed) [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
- 331c8c71 4y ago
  Not just a "marketing strategist", no less than > ... lead creative strategist on brand values communications for our Sustainability, Philanthropy, Equality and ethical technology teams and > ... lead content strategist on the Team Earth brand campaign, which espouses stakeholder capitalism ...
  - ElfinTrousers 4y ago
    So, a professional greenwasher, in other words.
    - gxnxcxcx 4y ago
      Must be real good, too. Judging by HN comments one would think they successfully washed away the stench of their Backpage work. They should be thankful they were coerced into sex work with tools of kinder, gentler capitalism.
      - ElfinTrousers 4y ago
        I have no idea what you're talking about, and I suspect that makes two of us.

whatever1 4y ago

What the hell is this bootlicking attitude? You got laid off because the company did not have the balls to put you above their quarterly earnings report. They even time your layoff to better please the hawks at Wall Street.

credit_guy 4y ago
> did not have the balls to put you above their quarterly earnings report. And why would they put me (not the OP, but it applies to me too) above their earnings? I don't put them above my salary. People talk about loyalty. I don't have loyalty. As long as I work for an employer, I will give my best. But I don't feel any sort of duty to stay with an employer forever, and certainly to stick with an employer if another one can offer me a better deal. In my experience those who profess "loyalty" just can't get a job if they go on the job market. They stick with the current employer not out of a sense of loyalty, but just for a lack of alternatives. Given that, why should I expect anything else in return? As long as my employer considers that I add value, they'll pay me. When I don't, they'll cut me. They are not the Red Cross, or Mother Theresa. It's not personal, it's just business. Compassion, empathy, etc, should be the domain of charitable organizations, or of the government. Not of private enterprises.
- solarmist 4y ago
  Yes, that is the current sentiment. This is not the way it was for boomers. Loyalty did work both ways. I completely disagree with your final statement. Compassion, empathy, etc. are the domains of ANY human activities and organizations. I'm not advocating for the way things were, but businesses must treat people like people and not factory parts.
  - whatever1 4y ago
    And let's not ignore the fact that if you have family or even just rent obligations you cannot just pack-up overnight and move to wherever the opportunity lies. (That is if your work is not fully remote)
  - 4y ago

blitzar 4y ago

According to Kübler-Ross, the five stages of grief, in order are: denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance. Let me know when the author gets to anger.