4 ms·

Regardless of which team you're on or why, the base installs of almost every distro includes vi or vim, but many leave out emacs and nano. Since you have to pi

Regardless of which team you're on or why, the base installs of almost every distro includes vi or vim, but many leave out emacs and nano. Since you have to pick one editor to be the first one taught, it makes sense to teach vim to avoid losing the learner.

analognoise 4y ago
This is as it should be. Emacs is about enlightenment; enlightenment is a path to be walked not a destination; it is a journey you must choose. Along the way, you might accidentally edit text files. That's not the point. Anyway, makes sense to me why it's not default included.
- ttrefa 4y ago
  > Emacs is about enlightenment; And that's why I'm on team Vim. I rather not use a tool that needs/uses cult-like slogans to convince people to keep them hooked. I want the usefulness to be the reason, not some kind of belief system.
  - imwillofficial 4y ago
    It was a joke my friend
  - pxc 4y ago
    It's just a bit of playfulness. Nobody is 'hooked' on Emacs because of slogans. A person uses Emacs because they like it.
    - b112 4y ago
      But... that's what alcoholics say!
  - mdiesel 4y ago
    A defining feature of cults is how difficult it is to leave... :q!
    - tryauuum 4y ago
      Have you ever tried exiting emacs? It's not easier than vim.
  - hgfsxvju 4y ago
    Lol "team vim," spoken like someone who doesn't know what Emacs is at all I use a vim implemented in Emacs Lisp -- evil-mode -- so I can have access to the rest of the usefulness of Emacs while also having everything model editing has to offer The GP is joking, but I'll happily use a vim in Emacs while the reverse is impossible, and you can figure out what that means for your belief system I also just use regular vim sometimes Tools aren't teams
    - slater 4y ago
      He said, rooting for a tool.
- dizhn 4y ago
  Surely we can all agree that nano (pico) is a toy compared to either.
  - rascul 4y ago
    Nano has a lot of functionality. Not really a toy.
- lo_zamoyski 4y ago
  > enlightenment is a path to be walked not a destination There is no path without an end.
randomNumber7 4y ago
I don't understand why so many distros ship vi instead of vim. Vim was realeased as an improvement in 1991!!!
- ihatepython 4y ago
  To save precious disk space
- chasd00 4y ago
  Including Vi-improved would be complicit in the assumption there was an imperfection in vi.
- GuB-42 4y ago
  I am not aware of many distros shipping the original vi today. However, a lot of them ship busybox, which is a self-contained and lightweight collection of standard UNIX tools, including a simplified vi. If you have a UNIX shell on an embedded system, there is a good chance it is running busybox. vim is an order of magnitude bigger than the entire busybox package. In fact, it may be bigger than the entire system.
chasd00 4y ago
Clearly, you would only want to focus on the superior editor. /smile

analognoise 4y ago

This is as it should be. Emacs is about enlightenment; enlightenment is a path to be walked not a destination; it is a journey you must choose. Along the way, you might accidentally edit text files. That's not the point. Anyway, makes sense to me why it's not default included.

ttrefa 4y ago
> Emacs is about enlightenment; And that's why I'm on team Vim. I rather not use a tool that needs/uses cult-like slogans to convince people to keep them hooked. I want the usefulness to be the reason, not some kind of belief system.
- imwillofficial 4y ago
  It was a joke my friend
- pxc 4y ago
  It's just a bit of playfulness. Nobody is 'hooked' on Emacs because of slogans. A person uses Emacs because they like it.
  - b112 4y ago
    But... that's what alcoholics say!
- mdiesel 4y ago
  A defining feature of cults is how difficult it is to leave... :q!
  - tryauuum 4y ago
    Have you ever tried exiting emacs? It's not easier than vim.
- hgfsxvju 4y ago
  Lol "team vim," spoken like someone who doesn't know what Emacs is at all I use a vim implemented in Emacs Lisp -- evil-mode -- so I can have access to the rest of the usefulness of Emacs while also having everything model editing has to offer The GP is joking, but I'll happily use a vim in Emacs while the reverse is impossible, and you can figure out what that means for your belief system I also just use regular vim sometimes Tools aren't teams
  - slater 4y ago
    He said, rooting for a tool.
dizhn 4y ago
Surely we can all agree that nano (pico) is a toy compared to either.
- rascul 4y ago
  Nano has a lot of functionality. Not really a toy.
lo_zamoyski 4y ago
> enlightenment is a path to be walked not a destination There is no path without an end.

randomNumber7 4y ago

I don't understand why so many distros ship vi instead of vim. Vim was realeased as an improvement in 1991!!!

ihatepython 4y ago
To save precious disk space
chasd00 4y ago
Including Vi-improved would be complicit in the assumption there was an imperfection in vi.
GuB-42 4y ago
I am not aware of many distros shipping the original vi today. However, a lot of them ship busybox, which is a self-contained and lightweight collection of standard UNIX tools, including a simplified vi. If you have a UNIX shell on an embedded system, there is a good chance it is running busybox. vim is an order of magnitude bigger than the entire busybox package. In fact, it may be bigger than the entire system.

chasd00 4y ago

Clearly, you would only want to focus on the superior editor. /smile