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> Either way it's modified. Yep. The oldest rules I've seen require that the machine have an original stick. > More to the point the footage is consistent wit

> Either way it's modified. Yep. The oldest rules I've seen require that the machine have an original stick. > More to the point the footage is consistent with 8-way movement Which footage? An eight way stick let's you barrel steer while ladder climbing. I don't believe that this will be detectable from looking at footage alone. > And the appearance is consistent with an 8 way. This is impossible to tell from the photographs. The restrictor plate is mounted on the underside of the joystick assembly.

stavros 4y ago
I haven't played the game in years (if ever?). What is barrel steering, and why can't you tell that something else is happening while the player is climbing a ladder from looking at footage?
- have_faith 4y ago
  In the game, if a barrel is above you on a platform, and it approaches the top of a ladder, if you move towards the ladder you can force it to come down the ladder. The logic is partly what makes the game so hard and frustrating, as most people obviously aren’t aware of this.
  - stavros 4y ago
    Oh, huh, I had no idea. But isn't it obvious that the barrel is coming down the ladder? Or is it also slightly random?
    - bhickey 4y ago
      Here's more than you ever wanted to know on the subject: http://donhodges.com/Controlling_the_barrels_in_Donkey_Kong.htm http://donhodges.com/Controlling_the_barrels_in_Donkey_Kong.... http://www.jeffsromhack.com/products/donkeykong_tech.htm http://www.jeffsromhack.com/products/donkeykong_tech.htm
      - stavros 4y ago
        Thanks!
- bhickey 4y ago
  Jumpman's facing influences barrel behavior. With a four way joystick you can't vary your facing while climbing a ladder unless you pause on the ladder. The ladder climbing sprite is facing agnostic. With a four way stick a player would need to lift off up (or down) to move the stick left and right. On an eight way you can keep climbing with deflecting left and right. Visually you won't be able to detect this. There is a random component to the barrel behavior. You could potentially detect steering by looking at jumpman's ladder entry direction and examine the behavior of each barrel during his climb. This would be an absolutely miserable task though. It might be easier to detect an eight way stick by finding buffered ladder climbing: does Jumpman begin ascending a ladder on the first frame in which he can climb and does he start moving left or right on the first frame after he dismounts?
  - stavros 4y ago
    That explains things, thank you.

stavros 4y ago

I haven't played the game in years (if ever?). What is barrel steering, and why can't you tell that something else is happening while the player is climbing a ladder from looking at footage?

have_faith 4y ago
In the game, if a barrel is above you on a platform, and it approaches the top of a ladder, if you move towards the ladder you can force it to come down the ladder. The logic is partly what makes the game so hard and frustrating, as most people obviously aren’t aware of this.
- stavros 4y ago
  Oh, huh, I had no idea. But isn't it obvious that the barrel is coming down the ladder? Or is it also slightly random?
  - bhickey 4y ago
    Here's more than you ever wanted to know on the subject: http://donhodges.com/Controlling_the_barrels_in_Donkey_Kong.htm http://donhodges.com/Controlling_the_barrels_in_Donkey_Kong.... http://www.jeffsromhack.com/products/donkeykong_tech.htm http://www.jeffsromhack.com/products/donkeykong_tech.htm
    - stavros 4y ago
      Thanks!
bhickey 4y ago
Jumpman's facing influences barrel behavior. With a four way joystick you can't vary your facing while climbing a ladder unless you pause on the ladder. The ladder climbing sprite is facing agnostic. With a four way stick a player would need to lift off up (or down) to move the stick left and right. On an eight way you can keep climbing with deflecting left and right. Visually you won't be able to detect this. There is a random component to the barrel behavior. You could potentially detect steering by looking at jumpman's ladder entry direction and examine the behavior of each barrel during his climb. This would be an absolutely miserable task though. It might be easier to detect an eight way stick by finding buffered ladder climbing: does Jumpman begin ascending a ladder on the first frame in which he can climb and does he start moving left or right on the first frame after he dismounts?
- stavros 4y ago
  That explains things, thank you.