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Why do you have credit card debt at all? That’s why they think you are making less.

mise_en_place 4y ago
Cash is worth more to me than what the credit card company thinks about me. What a bizarre take. Carrying balances is a positive thing if you pay on time every month.
- aynyc 4y ago
  Err... not if you are paying interest. But if you got a 0% APR credit card, rock on!
  - kmonsen 4y ago
    There is no interest paid if you always pay full statement balance.
    - aynyc 4y ago
      Then their statement is wrong, they are not carrying a balance.
      - wincy 4y ago
        If you’re talking about my statement, I’ve been carrying a balance. Dumb reasons and I make enough that I’m getting my head above water now. I paid off the balance on a few of the cards and they almost instantly upped my credit limit by thousands of dollars.
- cyberlurker 4y ago
  It’s actually a myth that carrying a balance does anything to your credit score. Low utilization of your credit limit and long history of the credit line, combined with history of on time payments is what matters. You get a higher credit limit if they think your income is higher. Also, parent poster is likely paying interest, which is the worst thing you can do on a credit card.
  - JamesSwift 4y ago
    And yet I regularly have credit karma and others go up-down if I pay off before or after the company reports "average monthly balance". Its usually by a large amount too, 15-30 points.
  - mise_en_place 4y ago
    Utilization has the lowest impact on your score. By your reasoning, homeowners with a mortgage should have a terrible credit score, when in fact it’s usually the opposite.
    - zamadatix 4y ago
      Utilization is 30% of your credit score making the 2nd largest single factor, behind only payment history (35%). That said utilization only counts revolving credit sources. That means installment loans like home and auto loans are not part of that particular factor.
      - mise_en_place 4y ago
        Ah my mistake, I didn’t realize they don’t count installment loans as part of utilization.
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  Carrying a balance means paying 20% interest rate, that is absolutely not a positive thing (in the US).
- zamadatix 4y ago
  FWIW "paying off a month's balance due" is different than "paying off my credit card debt" to me. The latter implies you're carrying an already due balance to a future term and adding the interest associated with that.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  > Carrying balances is a positive thing if you pay on time every month. It improves your score, for sure. Your credit score is an assessment of your value as a customer. A customer who pays off their balance every month before incurring any interest is lower value than a customer who runs a balance and makes payments. The bank wants more people like that.
  - stouset 4y ago
    No, it demonstrably does not. What impacts your score (in this axis) is utilization of revolving credit: credit used over credit available. Driving the numerator to zero will increase your credit score. Increasing the denominator will also increase your credit score. There is no situation where—all else being equal—increasing the numerator will increase your credit score. > Your credit score is an assessment of your value as a customer. No, your credit score is an assessment of your trustworthiness to a creditor, and the expectation that you will pay off any balances in full. Individuals with high credit scores are not generally directly valuable customers as they carry little revolving debt and are given low interest rates for mortgages and car loans. They accrue and use significant amounts of credit card rewards, which further cut into your profits. However, they (generally) make more and larger purchases so you make more money on merchant fees than you do with other cohorts.
- stouset 4y ago
  > Carrying balances is a positive thing if you pay on time every month. This is absolutely never true. Paying off a card every month is not "carrying a balance". Not paying off a card every month results in paying 15%+ rates in interest on the balance carried and actively lowers your credit score as long as you do it. If you are carrying balances in the belief that it is a sound financial decision: stop immediately and take a moment to learn more before you make other poor financial decisions.

Cash is worth more to me than what the credit card company thinks about me. What a bizarre take. Carrying balances is a positive thing if you pay on time every month.

aynyc 4y ago
Err... not if you are paying interest. But if you got a 0% APR credit card, rock on!
- kmonsen 4y ago
  There is no interest paid if you always pay full statement balance.
  - aynyc 4y ago
    Then their statement is wrong, they are not carrying a balance.
    - wincy 4y ago
      If you’re talking about my statement, I’ve been carrying a balance. Dumb reasons and I make enough that I’m getting my head above water now. I paid off the balance on a few of the cards and they almost instantly upped my credit limit by thousands of dollars.
cyberlurker 4y ago
It’s actually a myth that carrying a balance does anything to your credit score. Low utilization of your credit limit and long history of the credit line, combined with history of on time payments is what matters. You get a higher credit limit if they think your income is higher. Also, parent poster is likely paying interest, which is the worst thing you can do on a credit card.
- JamesSwift 4y ago
  And yet I regularly have credit karma and others go up-down if I pay off before or after the company reports "average monthly balance". Its usually by a large amount too, 15-30 points.
- mise_en_place 4y ago
  Utilization has the lowest impact on your score. By your reasoning, homeowners with a mortgage should have a terrible credit score, when in fact it’s usually the opposite.
  - zamadatix 4y ago
    Utilization is 30% of your credit score making the 2nd largest single factor, behind only payment history (35%). That said utilization only counts revolving credit sources. That means installment loans like home and auto loans are not part of that particular factor.
    - mise_en_place 4y ago
      Ah my mistake, I didn’t realize they don’t count installment loans as part of utilization.
lotsofpulp 4y ago
Carrying a balance means paying 20% interest rate, that is absolutely not a positive thing (in the US).
zamadatix 4y ago
FWIW "paying off a month's balance due" is different than "paying off my credit card debt" to me. The latter implies you're carrying an already due balance to a future term and adding the interest associated with that.
rootusrootus 4y ago
> Carrying balances is a positive thing if you pay on time every month. It improves your score, for sure. Your credit score is an assessment of your value as a customer. A customer who pays off their balance every month before incurring any interest is lower value than a customer who runs a balance and makes payments. The bank wants more people like that.
- stouset 4y ago
  No, it demonstrably does not. What impacts your score (in this axis) is utilization of revolving credit: credit used over credit available. Driving the numerator to zero will increase your credit score. Increasing the denominator will also increase your credit score. There is no situation where—all else being equal—increasing the numerator will increase your credit score. > Your credit score is an assessment of your value as a customer. No, your credit score is an assessment of your trustworthiness to a creditor, and the expectation that you will pay off any balances in full. Individuals with high credit scores are not generally directly valuable customers as they carry little revolving debt and are given low interest rates for mortgages and car loans. They accrue and use significant amounts of credit card rewards, which further cut into your profits. However, they (generally) make more and larger purchases so you make more money on merchant fees than you do with other cohorts.
stouset 4y ago
> Carrying balances is a positive thing if you pay on time every month. This is absolutely never true. Paying off a card every month is not "carrying a balance". Not paying off a card every month results in paying 15%+ rates in interest on the balance carried and actively lowers your credit score as long as you do it. If you are carrying balances in the belief that it is a sound financial decision: stop immediately and take a moment to learn more before you make other poor financial decisions.