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Everytime I read something negative about WordPress it's about the developer experience - why is no one focusing on the fact it's actually pretty good for non-t

Everytime I read something negative about WordPress it's about the developer experience - why is no one focusing on the fact it's actually pretty good for non-technical website owners?

ozim 4y ago
Because it is bad for them as well but they don’t have a clue so they don’t nag about it.
- Saris 4y ago
  Is it really though? What's the alternative for a drag and drop website for non technical people? I haven't found one that works any better.
  - fragmede 4y ago
    Wix and Squarespace will happily take their money in exchange for a very nice drag and drop website interface.
    - Saris 4y ago
      That's true, but you're locked to them, if they vanish or decide to terminate your account for some reason, you're pretty much hosed.
      - thdespou 4y ago
        Yeah with WordPress you can take your site and migrate it to a different provider. Can't beat that.
        fragmede 4y ago
        Time is money is opportunity cost though. If a proprietary provider is able to get you up and running faster then that's more time you have to spend on other things, like the rest of the business. Let's be real, the chances of getting shutdown if you're not in a grey area is pretty slim - if you are, eg crypto, porn, cannabis; then I'd not use a proprietary provider - what is "beat" is time spent on the product instead of upgrading WordPress plugins.
        thdespou 4y ago
        Premium WP providers can take care of plugin updates and backups for you that's not an issue. Ever heard of Smart Plugin manager?
- eternityforest 4y ago
  What would be better for them? Like, maybe there's something technically better, if everyone switched, but as an individual, what else would you use, that has the same level of accessibility for non-technical people, open sourceness, and wide acceptance that makes it easy to find someone who can work on your stuff, plus one click setup type cloud providers?
atoav 4y ago
As someone who is sometimes called to step in and help these non-technical people, I particularly enjoyed the moment when GDPR was implemented. Non-technical people running wordpress asked me what cookies their website is setting and how to make the sites comply. I asked them on which basis they select and install the plugins they are running and how they know what these plugins are actually doing. The short of it: they have no idea.

Everytime I read something negative about WordPress it's about the developer experience - why is no one focusing on the fact it's actually pretty good for non-technical website owners?

ozim 4y ago

Because it is bad for them as well but they don’t have a clue so they don’t nag about it.

Saris 4y ago
Is it really though? What's the alternative for a drag and drop website for non technical people? I haven't found one that works any better.
- fragmede 4y ago
  Wix and Squarespace will happily take their money in exchange for a very nice drag and drop website interface.
  - Saris 4y ago
    That's true, but you're locked to them, if they vanish or decide to terminate your account for some reason, you're pretty much hosed.
    - thdespou 4y ago
      Yeah with WordPress you can take your site and migrate it to a different provider. Can't beat that.
      - fragmede 4y ago
        Time is money is opportunity cost though. If a proprietary provider is able to get you up and running faster then that's more time you have to spend on other things, like the rest of the business. Let's be real, the chances of getting shutdown if you're not in a grey area is pretty slim - if you are, eg crypto, porn, cannabis; then I'd not use a proprietary provider - what is "beat" is time spent on the product instead of upgrading WordPress plugins.
        thdespou 4y ago
        Premium WP providers can take care of plugin updates and backups for you that's not an issue. Ever heard of Smart Plugin manager?
eternityforest 4y ago
What would be better for them? Like, maybe there's something technically better, if everyone switched, but as an individual, what else would you use, that has the same level of accessibility for non-technical people, open sourceness, and wide acceptance that makes it easy to find someone who can work on your stuff, plus one click setup type cloud providers?

atoav 4y ago

As someone who is sometimes called to step in and help these non-technical people, I particularly enjoyed the moment when GDPR was implemented. Non-technical people running wordpress asked me what cookies their website is setting and how to make the sites comply. I asked them on which basis they select and install the plugins they are running and how they know what these plugins are actually doing. The short of it: they have no idea.