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Exactly. SHOW ME THE MONEY. I'll be a C++ programmer. Labor supply stories never talk about salaries. I can also see lots of references to embedded and close-

Exactly. SHOW ME THE MONEY. I'll be a C++ programmer. Labor supply stories never talk about salaries. I can also see lots of references to embedded and close-to-hardware jobs, which means low salaries, unsexy code, and flawed/buggy toolchains compared to mainstream platforms. It's right there in the article: "demand". Why do business people pretend basic supply and demand first day microeconomics 101 doesn't exist as soon as you say "labor"? I suppose this is more fuel for Rust adoption. Rustaceans, is the war won? Btw, it is INSANE that we pay engineering positions (you know, real ones like electrical/hardware/materials) so poorly compared to software devs. Engineering has professional organizations which, like the AMA, should be able to enforce some degree of good pay.

varispeed 4y ago
To be fair all engineering positions are paid poorly if you compare to the profits corporations are making.
- bombolo 4y ago
  software companies often don't make any money at all.By that logic paying them at all is too much.
  - pavlov 4y ago
    It’s the growth, not the profit. Software engineering is a lever for growth for businesses designed that way. If you can grow revenue by $100M by spending $10M on engineer salaries, it usually makes sense. On the other hand companies with steady profits and little growth have no such expectations and try to pay as little as possible for the software engineers they do need.
  - varispeed 4y ago
    Big companies don't post profits for tax avoidance reasons. They use various strategies to minimise profits - or ideally operating at a loss, so that they don't pay tax or very little. They also use this as an argument "look we don't make any money so we can't pay you any more", while at the same time you hear CEO buying themselves another supercar or a beach house.
    - bombolo 4y ago
      I was saying that tying the salary to "how much profit the company makes" makes no sense :D

varispeed 4y ago

To be fair all engineering positions are paid poorly if you compare to the profits corporations are making.

bombolo 4y ago
software companies often don't make any money at all.By that logic paying them at all is too much.
- pavlov 4y ago
  It’s the growth, not the profit. Software engineering is a lever for growth for businesses designed that way. If you can grow revenue by $100M by spending $10M on engineer salaries, it usually makes sense. On the other hand companies with steady profits and little growth have no such expectations and try to pay as little as possible for the software engineers they do need.
- varispeed 4y ago
  Big companies don't post profits for tax avoidance reasons. They use various strategies to minimise profits - or ideally operating at a loss, so that they don't pay tax or very little. They also use this as an argument "look we don't make any money so we can't pay you any more", while at the same time you hear CEO buying themselves another supercar or a beach house.
  - bombolo 4y ago
    I was saying that tying the salary to "how much profit the company makes" makes no sense :D