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> Does “choose not to identify” hurt your chances when applying online? The real answer is probably "it depends". I'm sure many recruiters/HR try and be as un

> Does “choose not to identify” hurt your chances when applying online? The real answer is probably "it depends". I'm sure many recruiters/HR try and be as unbiased as humans can be and don't take demographic info into account for hiring. I'm sure there are racist people out there that really don't prefer to hire a black person, for example. And at the same time, I'm sure there are "woke" recruiters and HR that really don't prefer to hire a white man if there's a woman or POC available. I'm sure there are some people in companies out there that practice ethnic nepotism and do everything they can to promote hiring their countrymen over others. You could probably test this to some extent by applying to jobs with identical resumes with different male/female names that sound white, asian, black, latino, indian, etc and see what the response rates among different types of companies are. What I think is crazy is that this information is part of the hiring process at all: particularly questions asking you who you prefer fucking. That asking who you prefer fucking is close to the standard in corporate America is crazy to me.

mock-possum 4y ago
I have never in almost twenty years in the web industry had anyone ask about my sexuality. Never ever - not as part of application, not during interview, in fact hardly even casually among coworkers after I’ve got the job. It’s been my experience that no one cares who you fuck, as long as you get your work done. If asking who I prefer fucking is close to standard experience in America, then apparently I have had a wildly nonstandard experience.
- logicalmonster 4y ago
  Have you applied for a job in the US lately? In many cases, half of the application is relevant such as asking for your contact details and resume. In many cases, the other half of the application is irrelevant and might ask for information such as your race, ethnicity, whether or not you're Hispanic, pronouns, disabilities, sexual preferences, etc.
  - mock-possum 4y ago
    have you? all I've been doing for the past three months has been applying for jobs online. I consistently see race, gender, disability and veteran status - I have never once seen sexual preference.
    - logicalmonster 4y ago
      To be fair, I think peoples' experience with this varies (perhaps depending on which industry they're applying to work in as well as location), but I'm not the only one reporting this. Here's a few recent threads. https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/yoilsu/workplace_is_asking_employees_sexual_preference/ https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/yoilsu/workplace_i... https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/10qd9dv/why_must_companies_know_my_sexual_preference_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/10qd9dv/why_must_... https://www.reddit.com/r/recruitinghell/comments/w7u7de/when_did_my_sexual_preference_and_age_become/ https://www.reddit.com/r/recruitinghell/comments/w7u7de/when...
      - mock-possum 4y ago
        man I'm really pretty skeptical - in your own personal experience, let's say you've applied to 100 jobs, how many of those would you expect to explicitly ask you about your sexuality?
        logicalmonster 4y ago
        Questions about sexuality are less common than the race and disability questions, but I've seen it often enough to be noticeable, maybe around 30% of jobs I've come across. That said, I think it varies based on industry and location. Some people might never see it and some people might see it all of the time. But there's enough people reporting seeing it through some of the threads I posted to make this credible. That being said, my personal preference is for jobs to focus on stuff relevant to work. Race has no bearing on your resume or skills, neither does gender, neither does sexuality. A disability might have some relevance to a job, but it should not be relevant at the job application stage, and workers are already legally protected for reasonable accommodations once they get a job, so there's no point in asking that on an application anyway. At best, it's a waste of time, and at worst, it invites potential discrimination for disabled job seekers. A job application should essentially be 3 fields: name, contact info, and a file upload for the resume. Actually, that can just be boiled down to one field because a resume should already have those things.

mock-possum 4y ago

I have never in almost twenty years in the web industry had anyone ask about my sexuality. Never ever - not as part of application, not during interview, in fact hardly even casually among coworkers after I’ve got the job. It’s been my experience that no one cares who you fuck, as long as you get your work done. If asking who I prefer fucking is close to standard experience in America, then apparently I have had a wildly nonstandard experience.

logicalmonster 4y ago
Have you applied for a job in the US lately? In many cases, half of the application is relevant such as asking for your contact details and resume. In many cases, the other half of the application is irrelevant and might ask for information such as your race, ethnicity, whether or not you're Hispanic, pronouns, disabilities, sexual preferences, etc.
- mock-possum 4y ago
  have you? all I've been doing for the past three months has been applying for jobs online. I consistently see race, gender, disability and veteran status - I have never once seen sexual preference.
  - logicalmonster 4y ago
    To be fair, I think peoples' experience with this varies (perhaps depending on which industry they're applying to work in as well as location), but I'm not the only one reporting this. Here's a few recent threads. https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/yoilsu/workplace_is_asking_employees_sexual_preference/ https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/yoilsu/workplace_i... https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/10qd9dv/why_must_companies_know_my_sexual_preference_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/10qd9dv/why_must_... https://www.reddit.com/r/recruitinghell/comments/w7u7de/when_did_my_sexual_preference_and_age_become/ https://www.reddit.com/r/recruitinghell/comments/w7u7de/when...
    - mock-possum 4y ago
      man I'm really pretty skeptical - in your own personal experience, let's say you've applied to 100 jobs, how many of those would you expect to explicitly ask you about your sexuality?
      - logicalmonster 4y ago
        Questions about sexuality are less common than the race and disability questions, but I've seen it often enough to be noticeable, maybe around 30% of jobs I've come across. That said, I think it varies based on industry and location. Some people might never see it and some people might see it all of the time. But there's enough people reporting seeing it through some of the threads I posted to make this credible. That being said, my personal preference is for jobs to focus on stuff relevant to work. Race has no bearing on your resume or skills, neither does gender, neither does sexuality. A disability might have some relevance to a job, but it should not be relevant at the job application stage, and workers are already legally protected for reasonable accommodations once they get a job, so there's no point in asking that on an application anyway. At best, it's a waste of time, and at worst, it invites potential discrimination for disabled job seekers. A job application should essentially be 3 fields: name, contact info, and a file upload for the resume. Actually, that can just be boiled down to one field because a resume should already have those things.