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I would wage a hefty sum the vast majority (>90%) are beyond thrilled to be coming to the US. They are willing and WANT to come. You make it sounds like they

I would wage a hefty sum the vast majority (>90%) are beyond thrilled to be coming to the US. They are willing and WANT to come. You make it sounds like they are being captured and transported on slave ships.

screwturner68 4y ago
Given the choice most would rather go to Canada than the US, better worker rights, better social safety net and better health care. Further we need certain demographic, we need young workers -post school, that will work and pay into the system for the next 30-40 years. We don't want people we'll have to support, bringing in workers for Walmart where the first thing they do is move into subsidized housing and sing up for Medicaid and SNAP is not the type of immigration that will help this country.
- bombcar 4y ago
  Exactly. A vast majority of the world would love to be able to choose to be in a shit job without healthcare in the US - does that mean we should remove all wage protections and deny healthcare to anyone making less than $250k a year?
- keneda7 4y ago
  Do you happen to any stats to support that? I took a quick look. Canada seems to accept around 430k legal immigrants and had another 30-40k illegal crossing in 2022. The US seems to have admitted 1 million between July 2021 and July 2022 so lets say somewhere around 1 million legal immigrants were accepted in 2022. Illegal crossing were around 2.7 million for 2022. I take a look at these numbers I scratch my head at your statement. The US has orders of magnitude more illegal crossings. In fact the US average for 1 month is 225k which is almost 6 times as high as the YEARLY average for Canada. The numbers are pretty clear about where they are going. Nothing is stopping those entering the US illegally from entering Canada illegally too. Yet I can't seem to find any numbers that support that idea that even a fraction of the ones entering the US want/try to go to Canada. https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/2022/12/canada-welcomes-historic-number-of-newcomers-in-2022.html https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/ne... https://irb.gc.ca/en/statistics/Pages/Irregular-border-crosser-statistics.aspx https://irb.gc.ca/en/statistics/Pages/Irregular-border-cross... https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2022/12/net-international-migration-returns-to-pre-pandemic-levels.html#:~:text=According%20to%20Vintage%202022%20population,2021%20and%20July%201%2C%202022 https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2022/12/net-internati.... https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/migrant-border-crossings-fiscal-year-2022-topped-276-million-breaking-rcna53517 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/migrant-border-...
  - gymbeaux 4y ago
    I agree with this, but I wonder if the stats aren’t biased a bit because it probably is harder for someone from Central America to get to Canada than the US. I mean you have to go through the US to get to Canada. It sounds like, objectively, Canada is a better place to be if you’re an illegal immigrant (if you don’t mind the weather).
    - keneda7 4y ago
      Ya I would agree the stats are probably biased based on the US border vs Canada's. However at the same time it would not be difficult to travel from the southern US border to the US-Canada border. I would wager its easier than making the journey from south america to the Mexico-US border. But being a better place does not always equate to more people wanting to immigrate there. If it did we would see more people coming to countries like Canada than the US. I think part of the major appeal of the US is the basically open southern boarder and very lax immigration law/policies. You have entire states that advertise they flout federal law and are a sanctuary state. That has to be a major major appeal for someone considering an illegal crossing. Basically you get to one of those states or cities and your likelihood of being deported drops significantly. I am not super familiar with Canada's policy or system but based purely on numbers it seem like they keep a much tighter control on the number coming in.
      - gymbeaux 4y ago
        True. Getting to CA once you are in the US is probably the easier part of the overall journey. You probably can't consider yourself "safe" (in the baseball sense) by merely being in the US, you have to get out of Texas or Florida (if that's where you landed).
    - Teever 4y ago
      It's no more than a greyhound ticket from anywhere in the US to Roxham Road. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/the-national-roxham-road-immigration-border-1.5169249 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/the-national-roxham-road-immi...

screwturner68 4y ago

Given the choice most would rather go to Canada than the US, better worker rights, better social safety net and better health care. Further we need certain demographic, we need young workers -post school, that will work and pay into the system for the next 30-40 years. We don't want people we'll have to support, bringing in workers for Walmart where the first thing they do is move into subsidized housing and sing up for Medicaid and SNAP is not the type of immigration that will help this country.

bombcar 4y ago
Exactly. A vast majority of the world would love to be able to choose to be in a shit job without healthcare in the US - does that mean we should remove all wage protections and deny healthcare to anyone making less than $250k a year?
keneda7 4y ago
Do you happen to any stats to support that? I took a quick look. Canada seems to accept around 430k legal immigrants and had another 30-40k illegal crossing in 2022. The US seems to have admitted 1 million between July 2021 and July 2022 so lets say somewhere around 1 million legal immigrants were accepted in 2022. Illegal crossing were around 2.7 million for 2022. I take a look at these numbers I scratch my head at your statement. The US has orders of magnitude more illegal crossings. In fact the US average for 1 month is 225k which is almost 6 times as high as the YEARLY average for Canada. The numbers are pretty clear about where they are going. Nothing is stopping those entering the US illegally from entering Canada illegally too. Yet I can't seem to find any numbers that support that idea that even a fraction of the ones entering the US want/try to go to Canada. https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/2022/12/canada-welcomes-historic-number-of-newcomers-in-2022.html https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/ne... https://irb.gc.ca/en/statistics/Pages/Irregular-border-crosser-statistics.aspx https://irb.gc.ca/en/statistics/Pages/Irregular-border-cross... https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2022/12/net-international-migration-returns-to-pre-pandemic-levels.html#:~:text=According%20to%20Vintage%202022%20population,2021%20and%20July%201%2C%202022 https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2022/12/net-internati.... https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/migrant-border-crossings-fiscal-year-2022-topped-276-million-breaking-rcna53517 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/migrant-border-...
- gymbeaux 4y ago
  I agree with this, but I wonder if the stats aren’t biased a bit because it probably is harder for someone from Central America to get to Canada than the US. I mean you have to go through the US to get to Canada. It sounds like, objectively, Canada is a better place to be if you’re an illegal immigrant (if you don’t mind the weather).
  - keneda7 4y ago
    Ya I would agree the stats are probably biased based on the US border vs Canada's. However at the same time it would not be difficult to travel from the southern US border to the US-Canada border. I would wager its easier than making the journey from south america to the Mexico-US border. But being a better place does not always equate to more people wanting to immigrate there. If it did we would see more people coming to countries like Canada than the US. I think part of the major appeal of the US is the basically open southern boarder and very lax immigration law/policies. You have entire states that advertise they flout federal law and are a sanctuary state. That has to be a major major appeal for someone considering an illegal crossing. Basically you get to one of those states or cities and your likelihood of being deported drops significantly. I am not super familiar with Canada's policy or system but based purely on numbers it seem like they keep a much tighter control on the number coming in.
    - gymbeaux 4y ago
      True. Getting to CA once you are in the US is probably the easier part of the overall journey. You probably can't consider yourself "safe" (in the baseball sense) by merely being in the US, you have to get out of Texas or Florida (if that's where you landed).
  - Teever 4y ago
    It's no more than a greyhound ticket from anywhere in the US to Roxham Road. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/the-national-roxham-road-immigration-border-1.5169249 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/the-national-roxham-road-immi...