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Tangent: What's the cheapest way to backup a few TB of personal data these days, pricing based on the premise that I probably will never need to retrieve it (du

Tangent: What's the cheapest way to backup a few TB of personal data these days, pricing based on the premise that I probably will never need to retrieve it (due to local backups as well), but I don't want to pay thousands if I do have to (hundreds would be okay). Glacier Deep Archive?

unethical_ban 4y ago
Yes. You can use rclone to backup to an S3 bucket, and then have the S3 bucket set to "instantly" move files to deep archive. To retrieve them, you will need to run an extra command to "unarchive" them for some period of time. I find this easier than trying to interact directly with any Deep Archive API. It is very cheap, and AWS's durability guarantees are impressive. Main S3 page, linked to a note about Deep Archive https://rclone.org/s3/#glacier-and-glacier-deep-archive https://rclone.org/s3/#glacier-and-glacier-deep-archive The only thing I am not sure on is how to quickly restore a large number of files in a bucket from GDA to S3. It obviously can be scripted, but I don't have that handy. I only keep a small number of large, previously encrypted files in it, so I manually restore from the GUI. (By the way, rclone can transparently encrypt files and filenames client-side!)
ghaff 4y ago
Probably. Looks like about $1/TB/month. Although Backblaze personal backup isn't that much more for a few TB--about $6/month "unlimited" paid annually.
floren 4y ago
Backblaze B2 would cost you about $10/mo to store 2TB. I've been using them for years for a few tens of gigabytes worth of documents and photos. https://www.backblaze.com/b2/cloud-storage-pricing.html https://www.backblaze.com/b2/cloud-storage-pricing.html edit: it integrates with TrueNAS (formerly FreeNAS) so it's been pretty much set-and-forget, but I can check in and see my stuff through their management interface. I do encrypt my docs before uploading, which TrueNAS also supports.
- thomaslord 4y ago
  Have you had any luck with picking and choosing what gets backed up? I have a bunch of smaller personal files I'd love to sync to B2 (photos, backups, etc.) but I also have 7TB+ of linux ISOs that don't really need to be backed up because I can easily download them again. I tried to exclude the folders I don't want to back up, but I haven't had any luck.
  - floren 4y ago
    It's been a long time since I set it up, but I believe each cloud sync task will sync one directory. So I've got two tasks: one that syncs /mnt/main/media/Photos in PUSH/COPY mode, and one that syncs /mnt/main/Documents in PUSH/SYNC mode. You should be able to accomplish the same, but you may need to either re-organize your stuff or set up multiple tasks. edit: for clarification, "/mnt/main/media" contains various other subdirectories of Linux ISOs etc., which is why I push /mnt/main/media/Photos specifically.
  - artificialLimbs 4y ago
    I use rsync with Backblaze. I put everything I want sent to BB in /backupfolder/Archive, and everything else straight in /backupfolder. I have 2 rclone remotes, one pointing to another machine at my house, and 1 pointed to BB.
  - msh 4y ago
    I use cyberduck and just manually upload.
  - phatfish 4y ago
    rclone should do this, its been a while since it set it up, but its a cli to manage cloud storage providers, Backblaze is supported.
- Tijdreiziger 4y ago
  There are also (cheaper) S3-compatible providers in Europe, which might be preferable for some: https://european-alternatives.eu/category/object-storage-providers https://european-alternatives.eu/category/object-storage-pro...
hondo77 4y ago
I have over 3TB backed up to Backblaze (in addition to a local backup) for $70/yr. That's for Mac or PC. If you're on linux, I believe they offer something for that, too.
- ghaff 4y ago
  I'm a long-term satisfied Backblaze user on Mac. The pro is that it has a client and, once setup, it just works. The con is that it's a client running on a single system and the personal pricing plan doesn't support a NAS I believe. I periodically copy my files over from a RAID NAS to a local USB.
jquaint 4y ago
I recently set up this: https://github.com/vsespb/mt-aws-glacier https://github.com/vsespb/mt-aws-glacier Found it a lot easier than rolling my own AWS Glacier solution.
- jwineinger 4y ago
  That's quite an old (perl) codebase. Did you have any issues?
fulafel 4y ago
Cheapest is probably a used HDD.
- ghaff 4y ago
  As the parent said, they have local backup but they also want a cloud backup which makes perfect sense.
user3939382 4y ago
Wasabi has full S3 interface but significantly cheaper https://wasabi.com/cloud-storage-pricing/ https://wasabi.com/cloud-storage-pricing/ $6/TB/month free egress so for 3 TB $18/mo
howeyc 4y ago
Scaleway Glacier
CharlesW 4y ago
> What's the cheapest way to backup a few TB of personal data these days… I'm using CrashPlan for Small Business, so I can backup select NAS shares as well. $10/month.
seized 4y ago
AWS Glacier Deep Archive. It's about $1/TB/month. Retrieve is more expensive, about $90/TB all in. You can use rclone as one simple tool.
kiririn 4y ago
Emphasis on cheapest, even after their recent price hike you won’t find cheaper than 1fichier
BonoboIO 4y ago
Hetzner Storage Boxes I host nearly everything there. Just awesome company. 1TB = 3.2€ 5TB = 10.9€ 10TB = 20.8€ ... https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-box https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-box No transfer fees.

unethical_ban 4y ago

Yes. You can use rclone to backup to an S3 bucket, and then have the S3 bucket set to "instantly" move files to deep archive. To retrieve them, you will need to run an extra command to "unarchive" them for some period of time. I find this easier than trying to interact directly with any Deep Archive API. It is very cheap, and AWS's durability guarantees are impressive. Main S3 page, linked to a note about Deep Archive https://rclone.org/s3/#glacier-and-glacier-deep-archive https://rclone.org/s3/#glacier-and-glacier-deep-archive The only thing I am not sure on is how to quickly restore a large number of files in a bucket from GDA to S3. It obviously can be scripted, but I don't have that handy. I only keep a small number of large, previously encrypted files in it, so I manually restore from the GUI. (By the way, rclone can transparently encrypt files and filenames client-side!)

ghaff 4y ago

Probably. Looks like about $1/TB/month. Although Backblaze personal backup isn't that much more for a few TB--about $6/month "unlimited" paid annually.

floren 4y ago

Backblaze B2 would cost you about $10/mo to store 2TB. I've been using them for years for a few tens of gigabytes worth of documents and photos. https://www.backblaze.com/b2/cloud-storage-pricing.html https://www.backblaze.com/b2/cloud-storage-pricing.html edit: it integrates with TrueNAS (formerly FreeNAS) so it's been pretty much set-and-forget, but I can check in and see my stuff through their management interface. I do encrypt my docs before uploading, which TrueNAS also supports.

thomaslord 4y ago
Have you had any luck with picking and choosing what gets backed up? I have a bunch of smaller personal files I'd love to sync to B2 (photos, backups, etc.) but I also have 7TB+ of linux ISOs that don't really need to be backed up because I can easily download them again. I tried to exclude the folders I don't want to back up, but I haven't had any luck.
- floren 4y ago
  It's been a long time since I set it up, but I believe each cloud sync task will sync one directory. So I've got two tasks: one that syncs /mnt/main/media/Photos in PUSH/COPY mode, and one that syncs /mnt/main/Documents in PUSH/SYNC mode. You should be able to accomplish the same, but you may need to either re-organize your stuff or set up multiple tasks. edit: for clarification, "/mnt/main/media" contains various other subdirectories of Linux ISOs etc., which is why I push /mnt/main/media/Photos specifically.
- artificialLimbs 4y ago
  I use rsync with Backblaze. I put everything I want sent to BB in /backupfolder/Archive, and everything else straight in /backupfolder. I have 2 rclone remotes, one pointing to another machine at my house, and 1 pointed to BB.
- msh 4y ago
  I use cyberduck and just manually upload.
- phatfish 4y ago
  rclone should do this, its been a while since it set it up, but its a cli to manage cloud storage providers, Backblaze is supported.
Tijdreiziger 4y ago
There are also (cheaper) S3-compatible providers in Europe, which might be preferable for some: https://european-alternatives.eu/category/object-storage-providers https://european-alternatives.eu/category/object-storage-pro...

hondo77 4y ago

I have over 3TB backed up to Backblaze (in addition to a local backup) for $70/yr. That's for Mac or PC. If you're on linux, I believe they offer something for that, too.

ghaff 4y ago
I'm a long-term satisfied Backblaze user on Mac. The pro is that it has a client and, once setup, it just works. The con is that it's a client running on a single system and the personal pricing plan doesn't support a NAS I believe. I periodically copy my files over from a RAID NAS to a local USB.

jquaint 4y ago

I recently set up this: https://github.com/vsespb/mt-aws-glacier https://github.com/vsespb/mt-aws-glacier Found it a lot easier than rolling my own AWS Glacier solution.

jwineinger 4y ago
That's quite an old (perl) codebase. Did you have any issues?

fulafel 4y ago

Cheapest is probably a used HDD.

ghaff 4y ago
As the parent said, they have local backup but they also want a cloud backup which makes perfect sense.

user3939382 4y ago

Wasabi has full S3 interface but significantly cheaper https://wasabi.com/cloud-storage-pricing/ https://wasabi.com/cloud-storage-pricing/ $6/TB/month free egress so for 3 TB $18/mo

howeyc 4y ago

Scaleway Glacier

CharlesW 4y ago

> What's the cheapest way to backup a few TB of personal data these days… I'm using CrashPlan for Small Business, so I can backup select NAS shares as well. $10/month.

seized 4y ago

AWS Glacier Deep Archive. It's about $1/TB/month. Retrieve is more expensive, about $90/TB all in. You can use rclone as one simple tool.

kiririn 4y ago

Emphasis on cheapest, even after their recent price hike you won’t find cheaper than 1fichier

BonoboIO 4y ago

Hetzner Storage Boxes I host nearly everything there. Just awesome company. 1TB = 3.2€ 5TB = 10.9€ 10TB = 20.8€ ... https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-box https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-box No transfer fees.