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I don’t think anyone is proposing forcing anyone to work a shit job. I do think that working in food service compares favorably to working in subsistence farmin
by el_benhameen 4y ago
I don’t think anyone is proposing forcing anyone to work a shit job. I do think that working in food service compares favorably to working in subsistence farming, shipbreaking, or being unemployed with no job prospects.
Why not give people the chance to make that call for themselves? And what’s the alternative? If you automate it all away, they’re still going to be farming and breaking ships.
- michaelt 4y ago> And what’s the alternative? Perhaps that office with 50 programmers paid $75/hour could stretch to paying their 2 cleaners $20/hour instead of $15/hour?
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- el_benhameen 4y agoSure. But you’re not going to make up the difference just by increasing wages. Unemployment is at 3.4%—there’s not some huge glut of unemployed people waiting in the wings to clean offices at $20 an hour.
- anonymouskimmer 4y ago> "there’s not some huge glut of unemployed people waiting in the wings to clean offices at $20 an hour." 16 - 18 year olds. They can do the job after school.
- el_benhameen 4y agoI guess I would rather my kids use that extra time for, I dunno, learning extracurriculars or rest. But sure. Now what about all of the retail, foodservice, manufacturing etc. jobs that can’t be done during after school hours?
- anonymouskimmer 4y agoTongue in cheek there are a couple of options: 1) Businesses change their work hours to fit the school schedule. 2) Schools operate in shifts.
- el_benhameen 4y agoThird shift high school is the stuff of nightmares.
- toomuchtodo 4y agoTeens don't want these jobs, and with sufficient family support, opt out instead. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/21/after-dropping-in-2020-teen-summer-employment-may-be-poised-to-continue-its-slow-comeback/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/21/after-dropp...
- anonymouskimmer 4y agoWell sure, who does? I didn't want the job as a busboy the summer I turned 18. I had it because my parents made me.
- toomuchtodo 4y agoI too worked as a busboy for a single day in my teens. My parents did not force me to get a job. I won't force my kids to when they're old enough. n=1 Hard work doesn't prepare you for success. Connections, opportunity, and wealth to fall back on do.
- anonymouskimmer 4y ago> "Hard work doesn't prepare you for success. Connections, opportunity, and wealth to fall back on do." Hell yeah, I learned this the hard way. The child labor isn't for success, it's for spendin' money.
- gymbeaux 4y agoWait but nobody doing that kind of work makes anywhere near $20/hour. Retail store managers are still trying to get that.