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That's only the code describing the molecular hardware which is mostly just a description of a neuron. We don't as yet know how the neurons decide to specialize
by throwaway4aday 4y ago
That's only the code describing the molecular hardware which is mostly just a description of a neuron. We don't as yet know how the neurons decide to specialize and organize themselves into a brain but one guess is that they are exploiting the physical principals that govern atomic and molecular interactions so the "code" for this might not even be present in the DNA itself it would be the physics of "a group of molecules of this shape interacting with another group of molecules of that shape will orient and form a boundary that looks like this and that boundary will do X when another molecule with a different shape comes along" the sheer intricacy of such systems is mind boggling. It's like building a working car out of magnets and bubblegum.
- m3kw9 4y agoYeah some sort of physical optimization that depends on forces definitely come into play in organizing the brain structure but at the end we can mimic that in code
- throwaway4aday 4y agoMaybe, I'm still not convinced that artificial neural networks have all the same capabilities as biological ones.
- faitswulff 4y agoDon’t forget that life is a self hosting bootstrapped compiler on the trillionth or so generation. The code itself could be almost incidental.
- Balgair 4y agoNeuroscientist-y person here. We know a LOT about how neurons organize. Not even close to everything we 'should' know, but we do know a lot. Most of this is in the development of the brain. How you get from one cell to the trillions that make up a person. The real quick and dirty explanation is that cells follow multiple chemical gradients to find their 'home'. This is a HUGE topic though, and I'm being terse as I have a meeting to get to. How adult cells organize also has a LOT of science behind it. Again, though, it's mostly about chemical gradients, with a bit of electrical stuff thrown in. Again, HUGE topic.
- throwaway4aday 4y agoOk, are those chemical gradients encoded in DNA?
- sn9 4y agoThey're encoded in the laws of physics. Kinda like asking if gravity and fluid dynamics are encoded in the blueprint for an aircraft. The design relies on them, and exists in the form it does because of them.
- throwaway4aday 4y agoI don't think the blueprint analogy works here. From what I know, DNA doesn't have any set blueprint for the positions of all of the cells in the body. It encodes for molecules that form cells and then the cells somehow self-organize into structures that eventually form the complete body. To me, using a blueprint analogy you'd have to say the blueprint describes an airplane that once you construct enough of them interact in such a way as to build their own airports, plan their own routes, fly themselves and produce their own online booking software and that's still nowhere near as complex as what's happening inside a nematode let alone a human.
- sn9 4y agoYeah that's a little more accurate. Analogies are usually limited. But though it's not literally about locations in the sense of physical coordinates, the way cell signalling and the molecular feedback loops that drive development are still reliant on basic physical laws. It would be completely redundant and unnecessary to encode those laws themselves since they're invariant across time and space. Physics and chemistry are fixed. It would never make sense for DNA to literally encode information about physical laws in the same way it wouldn't make sense to do so on an airplane blueprint, because the design of the blueprint was itself constrained by those laws, as would any alternative design.
- Balgair 4y agoShort answer: No. Medium answer: Kinda. The chemical gradients cause a signaling cascade that modifies transcription of DNA (it's really complicated). This transcription change then causes the cell to become a XXX_neuron. However, there are many many waves of this process occurring with a lot of cell death along the way. When those cells are not the 'final' cell of the nervous system, these transcriptions can cause further and more complicated chemical gradients to exist in the fetus. These complicating recursive loops can also self-affect cells and cause them to change yet again. We're still discovering a lot here. Also, this is largely how ALL cells in a body work, not just neurons. Be careful though, this is very very complicated stuff and everything I've written has a caveat.