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> People are going to have to up their game. Let's help them by making adult education more affordable. The good thing is that education will be provided to th

> People are going to have to up their game. Let's help them by making adult education more affordable. The good thing is that education will be provided to the mases by a cluster of Franks and Amys configured as teachers and tutors. /(sarcasm with a hint of dread)

falcor84 4y ago
My take on this is that if anyone can learn a particular skill entirely from an AI, then it's not a skill you'd be able to monetize. And I really have no idea what, if any, are skills that AIs wouldn't be able to tackle in a decade.
- falcor84 4y ago
  And here's a more disturbing thought I just had: management (or at least middle management) is probably going to be a relatively easy role for AIs to step into. So if there will be any roles that are difficult for AIs, it'll be the AI manager hiring five Franks and ten Amys from the human population to tackle these.
- pjc50 4y ago
  People can learn skills from books, which are entirely passive. The learning process ultimately resides within the student; issues of motivation, morale, direction, diligence, discipline, time, and mental health matter a lot more than just going through some material.
  - falcor84 4y ago
    No, but that's the thing I was implying (but haven't started clearly) - learning from books vs learning from an AI "teacher". Once the AI reaches a level in which it can "teach" then the game is almost over for that skill. To clarify, I'd define a major component of effective teaching to be the ability to break down an arbitrary typical problem in that domain into sub-problems and heuristics that are "simple" enough to manage for someone without that skill. If an AI can do that, it can most likely effectively perform the task itself (which cannot be said for a book).
  - Qem 4y ago
    Try to learn Jiu-Jitsu from a book and then go into an actual fight to see how well it works.
    - pjc50 4y ago
      Guess we don't have to worry about AI taking that job, then.
      - Qem 4y ago
        Maybe we'll see some sorts of manual labor as the last bastion of not automated, human performed work. Of the kind that demands a lot both from the human motor skills and also higher thinking processes.
        nervousvarun 4y ago
        Seems reasonable, and at least in the U.S., this is not the type of space where young people are choosing to work. https://www.npr.org/2023/01/05/1142817339/america-needs-carpenters-and-plumbers-try-telling-that-to-gen-z https://www.npr.org/2023/01/05/1142817339/america-needs-carp...
        falcor84 4y ago
        Maybe, but seeing the advances from Boston Dynamics, I wouldn't wager too much money on this either.
    - CuriouslyC 4y ago
      You could learn jujitsu with a training partner and a sufficiently advanced virtual instructor, not being able to position students directly is a downside but not a dealbreaker.
- qualudeheart 4y ago
  That’s why you have to make it big with crypto or startups. Then you should move somewhere safe from the chaos.
- goatlover 4y ago
  Lots of procedural knowledge. Robotics is lagging behind deep learning advances, and it's unclear when robots would be cheaper than human labor in those areas. How expensive would a robot plumber be? Also skills that are valued when humans perform them.
  - falcor84 4y ago
    >skills that are valued when humans perform them Is this a real thing? I just bought an ice cream roulade cake the other day and was surprised to see in large print that it was "hand-rolled"; I couldn't for the love of god understand why that should be considered a good thing.
    - goatlover 4y ago
      I was thinking more of fields where enough people would rather pay to watch a human perform, serve them, teach or provide care. Despite superhuman computer chess play, human chess remains popular. The same would remain true for most sports, lots of music and acting, higher end restaurants and bars, the doctor or dentist you know, etc. Sometimes you prefer to interact with a human, or watch the human drama play out on screen. I can also imagine that wanting to speak to a human manager will remain true for a long time when people get fed up with the automated service not working to their liking, or just want to complain to a flesh and blood someone who can get irritated. A fully automated society won't change the fact that we are social animals, and the places that pffer human work when it's desired will be at a premium, because they can afford it.

falcor84 4y ago

My take on this is that if anyone can learn a particular skill entirely from an AI, then it's not a skill you'd be able to monetize. And I really have no idea what, if any, are skills that AIs wouldn't be able to tackle in a decade.

falcor84 4y ago
And here's a more disturbing thought I just had: management (or at least middle management) is probably going to be a relatively easy role for AIs to step into. So if there will be any roles that are difficult for AIs, it'll be the AI manager hiring five Franks and ten Amys from the human population to tackle these.
pjc50 4y ago
People can learn skills from books, which are entirely passive. The learning process ultimately resides within the student; issues of motivation, morale, direction, diligence, discipline, time, and mental health matter a lot more than just going through some material.
- falcor84 4y ago
  No, but that's the thing I was implying (but haven't started clearly) - learning from books vs learning from an AI "teacher". Once the AI reaches a level in which it can "teach" then the game is almost over for that skill. To clarify, I'd define a major component of effective teaching to be the ability to break down an arbitrary typical problem in that domain into sub-problems and heuristics that are "simple" enough to manage for someone without that skill. If an AI can do that, it can most likely effectively perform the task itself (which cannot be said for a book).
- Qem 4y ago
  Try to learn Jiu-Jitsu from a book and then go into an actual fight to see how well it works.
  - pjc50 4y ago
    Guess we don't have to worry about AI taking that job, then.
    - Qem 4y ago
      Maybe we'll see some sorts of manual labor as the last bastion of not automated, human performed work. Of the kind that demands a lot both from the human motor skills and also higher thinking processes.
      - nervousvarun 4y ago
        Seems reasonable, and at least in the U.S., this is not the type of space where young people are choosing to work. https://www.npr.org/2023/01/05/1142817339/america-needs-carpenters-and-plumbers-try-telling-that-to-gen-z https://www.npr.org/2023/01/05/1142817339/america-needs-carp...
      - falcor84 4y ago
        Maybe, but seeing the advances from Boston Dynamics, I wouldn't wager too much money on this either.
  - CuriouslyC 4y ago
    You could learn jujitsu with a training partner and a sufficiently advanced virtual instructor, not being able to position students directly is a downside but not a dealbreaker.
qualudeheart 4y ago
That’s why you have to make it big with crypto or startups. Then you should move somewhere safe from the chaos.
goatlover 4y ago
Lots of procedural knowledge. Robotics is lagging behind deep learning advances, and it's unclear when robots would be cheaper than human labor in those areas. How expensive would a robot plumber be? Also skills that are valued when humans perform them.
- falcor84 4y ago
  >skills that are valued when humans perform them Is this a real thing? I just bought an ice cream roulade cake the other day and was surprised to see in large print that it was "hand-rolled"; I couldn't for the love of god understand why that should be considered a good thing.
  - goatlover 4y ago
    I was thinking more of fields where enough people would rather pay to watch a human perform, serve them, teach or provide care. Despite superhuman computer chess play, human chess remains popular. The same would remain true for most sports, lots of music and acting, higher end restaurants and bars, the doctor or dentist you know, etc. Sometimes you prefer to interact with a human, or watch the human drama play out on screen. I can also imagine that wanting to speak to a human manager will remain true for a long time when people get fed up with the automated service not working to their liking, or just want to complain to a flesh and blood someone who can get irritated. A fully automated society won't change the fact that we are social animals, and the places that pffer human work when it's desired will be at a premium, because they can afford it.