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I entered "Spiro - The Vapourer", a brilliant dance music inspired instrumental folk piece with intense, layered melodies. It recommended "Buzz Cazon - Sentime

I entered "Spiro - The Vapourer", a brilliant dance music inspired instrumental folk piece with intense, layered melodies. It recommended "Buzz Cazon - Sentimental Attitude". I have trouble putting into words how bad that recommendation was. Seriously, just compare those two pieces, do they have ANYTHING in common besides maybe vaguely the tempo?

vintermann 4y ago
OK, but I'll concede it does SOMETHING pretty wild. Just not necessarily something good for recommendations. Because I tried another song: "Sam Sweeney - The King of Prussia's March", and the second recommendation was "Polsk Nr. 48" by Rasmus Storm. The wild thing? Well, first of all, Rasmus Storm isn't strictly speaking the artist. He was the composer. He was a 17th century Danish fiddler, who - rarely for his time and social standing - knew music notation, and wrote down his tunes in a book. The crazy thing is that in that same book, "Murchy nr. 14" is the tune better known in England as "The King of Prussia's March"! The odds of that happening by chance has to be absolutely tiny. "Obscure" doesn't even begin to describe it when it comes to Rasmus Storm's notebook.
cousin_it 4y ago
Wait, you really don't hear the similarity? To me the two pieces sound uncanny close. The tempo sure, but also the rhythm guitar does almost the same thing, and the higher pitched instruments in both have similar timbre and do similar things. You could probably mix the two pieces together and it'd sound alright. This happened to me before, I'd point out that for example Reckoning Song and Counting Stars are the same song, but people would swear they have nothing in common. Or Sail vs Believer, why was the second one even made. Is it that people focus mostly on the manner/vibe of a song, and don't notice what it actually sounds like?
- vintermann 4y ago
  I think maybe you can argue that from the 30 second excerpt from the middle of the song (which I guess the model is trained on). The Vapourer briefly drops into the "Arches" theme there, an original tune from one of Spiro's earlier albums which is one of the overlapping tunes in the piece. But I still don't think the similarity is great!

vintermann 4y ago

OK, but I'll concede it does SOMETHING pretty wild. Just not necessarily something good for recommendations. Because I tried another song: "Sam Sweeney - The King of Prussia's March", and the second recommendation was "Polsk Nr. 48" by Rasmus Storm. The wild thing? Well, first of all, Rasmus Storm isn't strictly speaking the artist. He was the composer. He was a 17th century Danish fiddler, who - rarely for his time and social standing - knew music notation, and wrote down his tunes in a book. The crazy thing is that in that same book, "Murchy nr. 14" is the tune better known in England as "The King of Prussia's March"! The odds of that happening by chance has to be absolutely tiny. "Obscure" doesn't even begin to describe it when it comes to Rasmus Storm's notebook.

cousin_it 4y ago

Wait, you really don't hear the similarity? To me the two pieces sound uncanny close. The tempo sure, but also the rhythm guitar does almost the same thing, and the higher pitched instruments in both have similar timbre and do similar things. You could probably mix the two pieces together and it'd sound alright. This happened to me before, I'd point out that for example Reckoning Song and Counting Stars are the same song, but people would swear they have nothing in common. Or Sail vs Believer, why was the second one even made. Is it that people focus mostly on the manner/vibe of a song, and don't notice what it actually sounds like?

vintermann 4y ago
I think maybe you can argue that from the 30 second excerpt from the middle of the song (which I guess the model is trained on). The Vapourer briefly drops into the "Arches" theme there, an original tune from one of Spiro's earlier albums which is one of the overlapping tunes in the piece. But I still don't think the similarity is great!