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A more accurate title would have been Google laid off (as opposed to "fired") 12000 employees (as opposed to singular "employee") over email. Current title is

A more accurate title would have been Google laid off (as opposed to "fired") 12000 employees (as opposed to singular "employee") over email. Current title is misleading.

whitemary 4y ago
Terminating one employee of 16 years is a very different story than terminating 12000 employees of unmentioned lengths of employment, even if both are true. Laying off an employee of 16 years in such an undignified fashion is even more distasteful than firing them as such.
fargle 4y ago
being "laid off" is simply the same thing as being "fired" for someone of a higher pay-grade's incompetence. semantics.
- hgomersall 4y ago
  It certainly doesn't feel like that to me in the UK. Being fired is generally because you are incompetent or do something unethical/illegal. A good employer would try hard to work around the former. To my interpretation, being laid off/made redundant implies no fault. That has legal financial consequences like redundancy pay, but also hopefully a good reference and possibly even help to get new work.
  - fargle 4y ago
    I think you misinterpret my comment. Being "laid off" is being fired (in consequence) because of the incompetence of your management. It is ironic that the incompetent jerk who ran the business into the ground does get to keep their job. Now, you raise another point. Unfortunately in the US, being laid off is not supposed to carry a stigma. But ironically in fact, possibly illegally, it really does. Because companies think "gosh: google has 120,000 people. They laid off 12,000, therefore you are in the lowest 10%". Companies are also often very reluctant to fire for incompetence. So a layoff can serve as a cover for "cleaning house". The consequence is that it is always a question afterward: did this guy get laid off because he was the problem child? Why him/her? When you have a job the recruiters beat a path to your door. When you are laid off, you are in a cycle of endless interviews and are regarded as damaged goods for the fault of bad management.
petesergeant 4y ago
but then you wouldn't have clicked it

A more accurate title would have been Google laid off (as opposed to "fired") 12000 employees (as opposed to singular "employee") over email. Current title is misleading.

whitemary 4y ago

Terminating one employee of 16 years is a very different story than terminating 12000 employees of unmentioned lengths of employment, even if both are true. Laying off an employee of 16 years in such an undignified fashion is even more distasteful than firing them as such.

fargle 4y ago

being "laid off" is simply the same thing as being "fired" for someone of a higher pay-grade's incompetence. semantics.

hgomersall 4y ago
It certainly doesn't feel like that to me in the UK. Being fired is generally because you are incompetent or do something unethical/illegal. A good employer would try hard to work around the former. To my interpretation, being laid off/made redundant implies no fault. That has legal financial consequences like redundancy pay, but also hopefully a good reference and possibly even help to get new work.
- fargle 4y ago
  I think you misinterpret my comment. Being "laid off" is being fired (in consequence) because of the incompetence of your management. It is ironic that the incompetent jerk who ran the business into the ground does get to keep their job. Now, you raise another point. Unfortunately in the US, being laid off is not supposed to carry a stigma. But ironically in fact, possibly illegally, it really does. Because companies think "gosh: google has 120,000 people. They laid off 12,000, therefore you are in the lowest 10%". Companies are also often very reluctant to fire for incompetence. So a layoff can serve as a cover for "cleaning house". The consequence is that it is always a question afterward: did this guy get laid off because he was the problem child? Why him/her? When you have a job the recruiters beat a path to your door. When you are laid off, you are in a cycle of endless interviews and are regarded as damaged goods for the fault of bad management.

petesergeant 4y ago

but then you wouldn't have clicked it