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"When Love is Gone" was not in the version of the movie shown in theaters, it was ONLY on home releases (one or two of them only had it available as special fea

"When Love is Gone" was not in the version of the movie shown in theaters, it was ONLY on home releases (one or two of them only had it available as special features, the original VHS release had it in the right place in the movie). It was never lost at all, they always knew where the footage was. Brian Henson says that Jeffrey Katzenberg (Chairman of Walt Disney Studios) strongly suggested but did not order him to cut the song- saying that it was too much adult emotion that children did not understand, and caused children to start to fidget and get bored. This came up in my family because I had only seen the movie in theaters and my wife had seen the VHS copy many times, so when we watched it on our blu-ray back in December I blithely selected "widescreen theatrical release" and got what I remembered and she was wondering where that song went, if we'd selected 'Full-screen VHS release' we would have gotten this song that I didn't remember at all.

gonehome 4y ago
This is the article I had read: https://www.vulture.com/2022/12/muppet-christmas-carol-song-when-love-is-gone-song-returning.html https://www.vulture.com/2022/12/muppet-christmas-carol-song-... In it they say Disney cut it - I had read elsewhere it wasn’t an order but they definitely seemed to have pushed it despite what he wanted. That article says they then lost it after. >” While the scene was cut from the theatrical release, Henson very much wanted it to be included. Speaking to Entertainment Weekly in November, Henson explained that Jeffrey Katzenberg (yes, the Quibi one, who was then in charge of Disney) was the one who had the scene cut. “He’s like, ‘It’s just a little too adult-emotional for little kids to stay connected,’” Henson recalled Katzenberg saying, adding that the film “certainly plays well without the song, but I obviously preferred having the song in. I think it’s good for kids to be pulled into deeply emotional moments, even if they feel slightly awkward about it when they’re in a movie theater.” According to Henson, Disney lost the original footage soon after, but efforts have been made to recover it. “For years and years, I’d call them every six months and see how they were doing. And they actually even put together a team and a little budget to try to find it, and they still couldn’t,” he told EW. “It’s very frustrating.”” Also at the end of the movie the last song is a throw back “when love is found” which loses some meaning with the other song cut.
- mandevil 4y ago
  I don't understand how this is possible, since it was definitely in the VHS release. Maybe he meant the original master of the scene was missing? Again, it was in the VHS release, and on the DVD release that we own, so it was not like the scene was truly missing. As for which is shown on Disney+, given that streaming generally has to pick one version, I can see the argument for going with the theatrical release or the director's cut, or even going Disney Vault style and swapping back and forth somewhat randomly, which is what they appear to be doing.
  - gonehome 4y ago
    Yeah, they mean the original masters (so they could add it back in at high quality in future releases). We had it on vhs which is the first one I saw. It looks like Disney finally updated Disney plus December 9th 2022 - it just took them 2 years after finding the masters to do it (and more than a decade since their unfortunate decision to cut it when releasing it on dvd I guess?)

gonehome 4y ago

This is the article I had read: https://www.vulture.com/2022/12/muppet-christmas-carol-song-when-love-is-gone-song-returning.html https://www.vulture.com/2022/12/muppet-christmas-carol-song-... In it they say Disney cut it - I had read elsewhere it wasn’t an order but they definitely seemed to have pushed it despite what he wanted. That article says they then lost it after. >” While the scene was cut from the theatrical release, Henson very much wanted it to be included. Speaking to Entertainment Weekly in November, Henson explained that Jeffrey Katzenberg (yes, the Quibi one, who was then in charge of Disney) was the one who had the scene cut. “He’s like, ‘It’s just a little too adult-emotional for little kids to stay connected,’” Henson recalled Katzenberg saying, adding that the film “certainly plays well without the song, but I obviously preferred having the song in. I think it’s good for kids to be pulled into deeply emotional moments, even if they feel slightly awkward about it when they’re in a movie theater.” According to Henson, Disney lost the original footage soon after, but efforts have been made to recover it. “For years and years, I’d call them every six months and see how they were doing. And they actually even put together a team and a little budget to try to find it, and they still couldn’t,” he told EW. “It’s very frustrating.”” Also at the end of the movie the last song is a throw back “when love is found” which loses some meaning with the other song cut.

mandevil 4y ago
I don't understand how this is possible, since it was definitely in the VHS release. Maybe he meant the original master of the scene was missing? Again, it was in the VHS release, and on the DVD release that we own, so it was not like the scene was truly missing. As for which is shown on Disney+, given that streaming generally has to pick one version, I can see the argument for going with the theatrical release or the director's cut, or even going Disney Vault style and swapping back and forth somewhat randomly, which is what they appear to be doing.
- gonehome 4y ago
  Yeah, they mean the original masters (so they could add it back in at high quality in future releases). We had it on vhs which is the first one I saw. It looks like Disney finally updated Disney plus December 9th 2022 - it just took them 2 years after finding the masters to do it (and more than a decade since their unfortunate decision to cut it when releasing it on dvd I guess?)