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Okta supports OAuth and other standards. Okta owns Auth0. Okta offers both customer and workforce solutions. If you're going to write about the competition, at

Okta supports OAuth and other standards. Okta owns Auth0. Okta offers both customer and workforce solutions. If you're going to write about the competition, at least be fair and accurate.

mooreds 4y ago
I agree, Okta absolutely does support OAuth and other standards. As do Ping, wso2 and other workforce oriented solutions. But Okta itself has focused on the workforce (IAM) product, rather than one focused on many users, which is why they bought Auth0, which they do own, as you correctly stated. If you go to okta.com, they have 'customer identity' and workforce identity' as the first two options of their menu. But my understanding is that 'customer identity' is really the Auth0 platform. I did say: > there is overlap and the categories are fuzzy I didn't mean to imply that Okta didn't support standards. However, standards implementation isn't (in my mind) their defining characteristic, IAM/workforce management is. Just like some of the JS focused providers support OAuth, but the defining characteristic is their focus on JS/front end frameworks. I'll end by saying that I haven't done a deep dive into all of these options, these are just some of the companies in the space. Caveat emptor, do your own diligence. (From your profile link, I see that you are an Okta employee. I'd love to have your insight into how you'd group the competitors to help OP do their research to find the right solution.)
- gabrielsroka 4y ago
  I am not an Okta employee. Okta had a customer identity solution even before they bought Auth0. I know almost nothing about Okta's competitors, which is why I said nothing.
  - mooreds 4y ago
    Sorry, I was referencing the resume available on your GH site, but to be fair, it does say that it was last updated in 2018. My bad. > Okta had a customer identity solution even before they bought Auth0. Correct. Stormpath was acquired in the mid 2010s, if I recall correctly. I believe that is being sunsetted for Auth0 currently (based on my research).
    - gabrielsroka 4y ago
      That's not what I'm talking about. I don't think the Stormpath product was ever turned into anything that Okta sold. But Okta's identity cloud has been used for both workforce and customer identity solutions. I believe it is the latter that is being sunsetted and replaced by Auth0.
brokenwren 4y ago
Generally, the HN community prefers if you announce the company you are with. It helps ensure transparency in the communications. I’m the founder of FusionAuth and have deep knowledge on OAuth and SAML. The groupings Dan used seem like a decent assessment with some caveats.
- gabrielsroka 4y ago
  I'm not with any company. > caveats And I'm pointing those out.
  - brokenwren 4y ago
    I missed that you left Okta back in 2022, so pardon asking for a disclosure. In any case, I think your last sentence was the part that seemed a bit defensive. Dan was pretty clear that his assessment had overlap and things get fuzzy. Of course, YMMV.

Okta supports OAuth and other standards. Okta owns Auth0. Okta offers both customer and workforce solutions. If you're going to write about the competition, at least be fair and accurate.

mooreds 4y ago

I agree, Okta absolutely does support OAuth and other standards. As do Ping, wso2 and other workforce oriented solutions. But Okta itself has focused on the workforce (IAM) product, rather than one focused on many users, which is why they bought Auth0, which they do own, as you correctly stated. If you go to okta.com, they have 'customer identity' and workforce identity' as the first two options of their menu. But my understanding is that 'customer identity' is really the Auth0 platform. I did say: > there is overlap and the categories are fuzzy I didn't mean to imply that Okta didn't support standards. However, standards implementation isn't (in my mind) their defining characteristic, IAM/workforce management is. Just like some of the JS focused providers support OAuth, but the defining characteristic is their focus on JS/front end frameworks. I'll end by saying that I haven't done a deep dive into all of these options, these are just some of the companies in the space. Caveat emptor, do your own diligence. (From your profile link, I see that you are an Okta employee. I'd love to have your insight into how you'd group the competitors to help OP do their research to find the right solution.)

gabrielsroka 4y ago
I am not an Okta employee. Okta had a customer identity solution even before they bought Auth0. I know almost nothing about Okta's competitors, which is why I said nothing.
- mooreds 4y ago
  Sorry, I was referencing the resume available on your GH site, but to be fair, it does say that it was last updated in 2018. My bad. > Okta had a customer identity solution even before they bought Auth0. Correct. Stormpath was acquired in the mid 2010s, if I recall correctly. I believe that is being sunsetted for Auth0 currently (based on my research).
  - gabrielsroka 4y ago
    That's not what I'm talking about. I don't think the Stormpath product was ever turned into anything that Okta sold. But Okta's identity cloud has been used for both workforce and customer identity solutions. I believe it is the latter that is being sunsetted and replaced by Auth0.

brokenwren 4y ago

Generally, the HN community prefers if you announce the company you are with. It helps ensure transparency in the communications. I’m the founder of FusionAuth and have deep knowledge on OAuth and SAML. The groupings Dan used seem like a decent assessment with some caveats.

gabrielsroka 4y ago
I'm not with any company. > caveats And I'm pointing those out.
- brokenwren 4y ago
  I missed that you left Okta back in 2022, so pardon asking for a disclosure. In any case, I think your last sentence was the part that seemed a bit defensive. Dan was pretty clear that his assessment had overlap and things get fuzzy. Of course, YMMV.