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Probably for the best. I'm very skeptical that police training decreases misconduct. If anything, it probably increases it.

by Imnimo 4y ago

unity1001 4y ago
Everywhere around the world it does - because police is a civil service everywhere, and national laws and regulations exist to set their standards and procedures.
- flangola7 4y ago
  I think it's also worthwhile to point out that federal departments like FBI (which require a bachelor's degree) tend to have lower rates of misconduct. There's at least a small amount of self-control and critical thinking needed to graduate university, which presumably weeds out some of the more unstable candidates.
commandlinefan 4y ago
> it probably increases it. Why would you think that? I'm assuming the sort of police training we're talking about is "if you're faced with this situation, you should do..." The most famous case of police misconduct in recent history is George Floyd, and I don't think it's controversial to say the responding officers just didn't know what they were supposed to be doing in that situation, did the wrong thing, and it resulted in a death. Better training would definitely have alleviated that situation - it definitely wouldn't have made it worse.
- Imnimo 4y ago
  >Why would you think that? The purpose of police training is to indoctrinate recruits into police culture. https://twitter.com/KatieSponsler/status/1619341593827487744 https://twitter.com/KatieSponsler/status/1619341593827487744 > I don't think it's controversial to say the responding officers just didn't know what they were supposed to be doing in that situation, did the wrong thing I think if you polled 100 police officers, you'd find that that is a very controversial issue, and that many of them support Chauvin's actions. They even had an officer testify that his actions were justified at his trial.
JoeyBananas 4y ago
Your opinion is ill-founded. I doubt that anyone in military or law enforcement agrees with you. Take the Tyre Nichols incident for example. The arresting officers failed to employ several fundamental tactics that would have resulted in a better outcome.
- DaveExeter 4y ago
  You think with more training, they would have been able to give him a non-lethal beating?
  - JoeyBananas 4y ago
    I think they would eagerly have followed a better course of action that didn't lead to getting fired and then prosecuted
    - DaveExeter 4y ago
      In New York City, the police take citizens back to the stationhouse and brutally beat them where there are no cameras.
- Imnimo 4y ago
  Yes, clearly the officers were just confused and trying their best when they beat him to death. If only someone had told them not to do that.
  - JoeyBananas 4y ago
    Police are bad at their jobs, but we should not teach them to be better at their jobs?
    - Imnimo 4y ago
      That would be great, but it's not the option we're presented with. Police training emphasizes escalation of force, it frames interactions with the public as a battle, and spends an inordinate amount of time on firearms and combat. https://web.archive.org/web/20220128201854/https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/01/26/police-training-reform/ https://web.archive.org/web/20220128201854/https://www.washi...
zone411 4y ago
I looked up if there are any studies about this. I found this one from 2014: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1098611114522042?journalCode=pqxa https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/109861111452204.... Paywalled but referenced elsewhere as "more in-service training police had, the fewer cases there were of police misconduct."

Probably for the best. I'm very skeptical that police training decreases misconduct. If anything, it probably increases it.

by Imnimo 4y ago

Probably for the best. I'm very skeptical that police training decreases misconduct. If anything, it probably increases it.

unity1001 4y ago

Everywhere around the world it does - because police is a civil service everywhere, and national laws and regulations exist to set their standards and procedures.

flangola7 4y ago
I think it's also worthwhile to point out that federal departments like FBI (which require a bachelor's degree) tend to have lower rates of misconduct. There's at least a small amount of self-control and critical thinking needed to graduate university, which presumably weeds out some of the more unstable candidates.

commandlinefan 4y ago

> it probably increases it. Why would you think that? I'm assuming the sort of police training we're talking about is "if you're faced with this situation, you should do..." The most famous case of police misconduct in recent history is George Floyd, and I don't think it's controversial to say the responding officers just didn't know what they were supposed to be doing in that situation, did the wrong thing, and it resulted in a death. Better training would definitely have alleviated that situation - it definitely wouldn't have made it worse.

Imnimo 4y ago
>Why would you think that? The purpose of police training is to indoctrinate recruits into police culture. https://twitter.com/KatieSponsler/status/1619341593827487744 https://twitter.com/KatieSponsler/status/1619341593827487744 > I don't think it's controversial to say the responding officers just didn't know what they were supposed to be doing in that situation, did the wrong thing I think if you polled 100 police officers, you'd find that that is a very controversial issue, and that many of them support Chauvin's actions. They even had an officer testify that his actions were justified at his trial.

JoeyBananas 4y ago

Your opinion is ill-founded. I doubt that anyone in military or law enforcement agrees with you. Take the Tyre Nichols incident for example. The arresting officers failed to employ several fundamental tactics that would have resulted in a better outcome.

DaveExeter 4y ago
You think with more training, they would have been able to give him a non-lethal beating?
- JoeyBananas 4y ago
  I think they would eagerly have followed a better course of action that didn't lead to getting fired and then prosecuted
  - DaveExeter 4y ago
    In New York City, the police take citizens back to the stationhouse and brutally beat them where there are no cameras.
Imnimo 4y ago
Yes, clearly the officers were just confused and trying their best when they beat him to death. If only someone had told them not to do that.
- JoeyBananas 4y ago
  Police are bad at their jobs, but we should not teach them to be better at their jobs?
  - Imnimo 4y ago
    That would be great, but it's not the option we're presented with. Police training emphasizes escalation of force, it frames interactions with the public as a battle, and spends an inordinate amount of time on firearms and combat. https://web.archive.org/web/20220128201854/https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/01/26/police-training-reform/ https://web.archive.org/web/20220128201854/https://www.washi...

zone411 4y ago

I looked up if there are any studies about this. I found this one from 2014: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1098611114522042?journalCode=pqxa https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/109861111452204.... Paywalled but referenced elsewhere as "more in-service training police had, the fewer cases there were of police misconduct."