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I think you might also need to consider the context though - well before the thought of a “school shooting” was an annual occurrence. If schools had metal detec

I think you might also need to consider the context though - well before the thought of a “school shooting” was an annual occurrence. If schools had metal detectors it was for knives or worst case, a hand gun. And guns themselves are not universally liked or practiced with. I seriously doubt someone would suggest that playing an fy_ map is grounds for practicing anything except video games. Extending a video game to reproducing a school ground or neighbourhood seems natural - when I wanted to make my first text based game, I tried making it about different rooms of my house, for example. People often want to model the world around them just to see if they can.

vuln 4y ago
What about the context of flying a commercial airliner into a skyscraper? Moussaoui enrolled in a flight simulator training course at a Pan Am facility near Minneapolis, Minnesota. Pan Am’s Minneapolis facility used flight simulators only, and the training there usually consisted of initial training for newly hired airline pilots or refresher training for active pilots. https://oig.justice.gov/sites/default/files/archive/special/s0606/chapter4.htm https://oig.justice.gov/sites/default/files/archive/special/...
- lstamour 4y ago
  Again, context. That’s actually a training course. And a plane is mostly computerized. So it makes sense to not train for emergency situations up in the air in a real plane. If Counter-Strike were used for actual training, and maybe it was somewhere, then I’d agree this breaks the rule. But I would never say that making a map means wanting to plan something in real life. It just doesn’t mean that, even if it looks that way. A game like CS is generally not actually a training simulator, it’s just a way to waste time with friends, etc. You don’t actually get any real world feedback or exercise or anything. I would argue actually playing paintball at school would be riskier, though… it also sounds like fun. Maybe it’s a question of harm or intent?
- jml7c5 4y ago
  It's a Cessna rather than a commercial airliner, but slamming a plane into landmark buildings was not tabo or out of the ordinary pre-9/11: https://youtu.be/ssig3LUCwng?t=4m35s https://youtu.be/ssig3LUCwng?t=4m35s.
  - CrazyPyroLinux 4y ago
    Indeed - Tom Clancy wrote Debt of Honor long before 9/11, and Rainbow Six long before COVID.

vuln 4y ago

What about the context of flying a commercial airliner into a skyscraper? Moussaoui enrolled in a flight simulator training course at a Pan Am facility near Minneapolis, Minnesota. Pan Am’s Minneapolis facility used flight simulators only, and the training there usually consisted of initial training for newly hired airline pilots or refresher training for active pilots. https://oig.justice.gov/sites/default/files/archive/special/s0606/chapter4.htm https://oig.justice.gov/sites/default/files/archive/special/...

lstamour 4y ago
Again, context. That’s actually a training course. And a plane is mostly computerized. So it makes sense to not train for emergency situations up in the air in a real plane. If Counter-Strike were used for actual training, and maybe it was somewhere, then I’d agree this breaks the rule. But I would never say that making a map means wanting to plan something in real life. It just doesn’t mean that, even if it looks that way. A game like CS is generally not actually a training simulator, it’s just a way to waste time with friends, etc. You don’t actually get any real world feedback or exercise or anything. I would argue actually playing paintball at school would be riskier, though… it also sounds like fun. Maybe it’s a question of harm or intent?
jml7c5 4y ago
It's a Cessna rather than a commercial airliner, but slamming a plane into landmark buildings was not tabo or out of the ordinary pre-9/11: https://youtu.be/ssig3LUCwng?t=4m35s https://youtu.be/ssig3LUCwng?t=4m35s.
- CrazyPyroLinux 4y ago
  Indeed - Tom Clancy wrote Debt of Honor long before 9/11, and Rainbow Six long before COVID.