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>Antisemitism is more common among left wingers than right wingers Yes, I remember that left wing protest where people chanted "Jews will not replace us". Rem

>Antisemitism is more common among left wingers than right wingers Yes, I remember that left wing protest where people chanted "Jews will not replace us". Remind me, which president was it that said there were "good people" in that crowd?

LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
Here's a transcript that seems fairly accurate to the video interview I saw contemporaneously: https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/15/full-text-trump-comments-white-supremacists-alt-left-transcript-241662 https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/15/full-text-trump-co... His own words: "you had people – and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally – but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people, but you also had troublemakers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats – you had a lot of bad people in the other group too." There are many good reasons to dislike Trump but you weaken them by association when you repeat the false accusations and misrepresentations.
- manuelabeledo 4y ago
  Related: https://twitter.com/IamRageSparkle/status/1280891537451343873 https://twitter.com/IamRageSparkle/status/128089153745134387... "Once you let a nazi in your bar, it becomes a nazi bar."
  - LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
    It was a protest in a park, nobody could keep anyone else out. And does that apply equally to Antifa?
    - manuelabeledo 4y ago
      Are we really comparing people burning ATMs with nazis now?
      - LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
        Beating reporters, pulling motorists out of their vehicles, throwing molotov cocktails at occupied buildings, etc. All politically motivated violence aka terrorism. Are you really defending that based on who does it?
        manuelabeledo 4y ago
        No, I’m just saying that there are grades of malice, and I put nazis on the top, with a comfortable margin over any second. Because their motivation is to remove any “undesirable” from their sight, and their definition of “undesirable” is wide and expanding and imminent, at least in the US [0] In contrast, there has been one single murder in the past 26 years, where a far left activist was charged in the US, although subsequently shot and killed by the police [1]. So, I’m evaluating motivation here. There’s no such thing as “both sides are bad”. Centrism is a lazy and uninformed view of the world. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_right-wing_terrorist_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_right-wing_terrorist_a... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killings_of_Aaron_Danielson_and_Michael_Reinoehl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killings_of_Aaron_Danielson_an...
        LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
        > There’s no such thing as “both sides are bad”. Centrism is a lazy and uninformed view of the world. No, there's no such thing as "your side is also bad so my side therefore is not". But both sides can easily be wrong. You don't need to draw false equivalences to condemn two sets of people at once.

LawTalkingGuy 4y ago

Here's a transcript that seems fairly accurate to the video interview I saw contemporaneously: https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/15/full-text-trump-comments-white-supremacists-alt-left-transcript-241662 https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/15/full-text-trump-co... His own words: "you had people – and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally – but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people, but you also had troublemakers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats – you had a lot of bad people in the other group too." There are many good reasons to dislike Trump but you weaken them by association when you repeat the false accusations and misrepresentations.

manuelabeledo 4y ago
Related: https://twitter.com/IamRageSparkle/status/1280891537451343873 https://twitter.com/IamRageSparkle/status/128089153745134387... "Once you let a nazi in your bar, it becomes a nazi bar."
- LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
  It was a protest in a park, nobody could keep anyone else out. And does that apply equally to Antifa?
  - manuelabeledo 4y ago
    Are we really comparing people burning ATMs with nazis now?
    - LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
      Beating reporters, pulling motorists out of their vehicles, throwing molotov cocktails at occupied buildings, etc. All politically motivated violence aka terrorism. Are you really defending that based on who does it?
      - manuelabeledo 4y ago
        No, I’m just saying that there are grades of malice, and I put nazis on the top, with a comfortable margin over any second. Because their motivation is to remove any “undesirable” from their sight, and their definition of “undesirable” is wide and expanding and imminent, at least in the US [0] In contrast, there has been one single murder in the past 26 years, where a far left activist was charged in the US, although subsequently shot and killed by the police [1]. So, I’m evaluating motivation here. There’s no such thing as “both sides are bad”. Centrism is a lazy and uninformed view of the world. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_right-wing_terrorist_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_right-wing_terrorist_a... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killings_of_Aaron_Danielson_and_Michael_Reinoehl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killings_of_Aaron_Danielson_an...
        LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
        > There’s no such thing as “both sides are bad”. Centrism is a lazy and uninformed view of the world. No, there's no such thing as "your side is also bad so my side therefore is not". But both sides can easily be wrong. You don't need to draw false equivalences to condemn two sets of people at once.