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I agree I'm going to migrate away from them, I can't support this. Naive question: I've got ubuntu running on servers (mostly just shared files and computer) a

I agree I'm going to migrate away from them, I can't support this. Naive question: I've got ubuntu running on servers (mostly just shared files and computer) and some cloud gpu machines. Are these affected as well? As in the ubuntu images that come from aws et al are presumably not "pro" so they won't be properly watchable? As an aside, what a rip-off. I'm generally hesitant to use free tools from for-profit companies for fear of how they'll later try and monetize, and this is a pretty good case of a company deciding to lure people in then do something really scummy

Gordonjcp 4y ago
> I agree I'm going to migrate away from them, I can't support this. It almost certainly doesn't affect anything you run on your servers. Even if you did have Universe packages on your servers, what it means is that you now have the option to get Ubuntu Pro and have security updates for those packages. Up until this point, you did not get security updates for those packages.
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jzb 4y ago
"I'm generally hesitant to use free tools from for-profit companies for fear of how they'll later try and monetize, and this is a pretty good case of a company deciding to lure people in then do something really scummy" Counterpoint: Canonical has to pay people to produce Ubuntu. Eventually they need to figure out how to get enough people to pay to cover expenses, salaries, etc. The last revenue figures I saw from Ubuntu were in the green, but that was 2020 and it's not like they were generating a huge profit. The prior year showed a loss. And apparently they are or were planning to go public in 2023. [1] (Whether they'll go through with that given <gestures at everything> the state of the world is another question.) If the existing system isn't converting enough users from free -> paid, then the alternative may be "didn't work, stop producing these tools, period." I've had my fair share of complaints about Canonical over the years (Snap, Unity, the so-called Harmony effort to normalize non-friendly CLAs), but if you like being able to expect releases with a certain level of polish and updates... they've got to bring in money. If you and users like you are unwilling to pay when they don't employ monetization tactics, then... either they end or they start exploring ways to bring in money. So - just doling out Ubuntu hasn't quite done the trick. If not for "scummy" tactics, what is going to get you to pay for the things you use? If the answer is "nothing" then there's little value in Canonical catering to your preferences. [1] https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/21/canonical-now-hopes-to-ipo-in-2023/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/21/canonical-now-hopes-to-ipo...
- version_five 4y ago
  You seem to have made a lot of assumptions about me. Anyway, what you're saying backs up my point imo. There is always some risk depending another party. If I'm using say python, I feel relatively secure they won't start shaking me down for money. For the reasons you mention, the same isn't true for ubuntu.

Gordonjcp 4y ago

> I agree I'm going to migrate away from them, I can't support this. It almost certainly doesn't affect anything you run on your servers. Even if you did have Universe packages on your servers, what it means is that you now have the option to get Ubuntu Pro and have security updates for those packages. Up until this point, you did not get security updates for those packages.

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jzb 4y ago

"I'm generally hesitant to use free tools from for-profit companies for fear of how they'll later try and monetize, and this is a pretty good case of a company deciding to lure people in then do something really scummy" Counterpoint: Canonical has to pay people to produce Ubuntu. Eventually they need to figure out how to get enough people to pay to cover expenses, salaries, etc. The last revenue figures I saw from Ubuntu were in the green, but that was 2020 and it's not like they were generating a huge profit. The prior year showed a loss. And apparently they are or were planning to go public in 2023. [1] (Whether they'll go through with that given <gestures at everything> the state of the world is another question.) If the existing system isn't converting enough users from free -> paid, then the alternative may be "didn't work, stop producing these tools, period." I've had my fair share of complaints about Canonical over the years (Snap, Unity, the so-called Harmony effort to normalize non-friendly CLAs), but if you like being able to expect releases with a certain level of polish and updates... they've got to bring in money. If you and users like you are unwilling to pay when they don't employ monetization tactics, then... either they end or they start exploring ways to bring in money. So - just doling out Ubuntu hasn't quite done the trick. If not for "scummy" tactics, what is going to get you to pay for the things you use? If the answer is "nothing" then there's little value in Canonical catering to your preferences. [1] https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/21/canonical-now-hopes-to-ipo-in-2023/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/21/canonical-now-hopes-to-ipo...

version_five 4y ago
You seem to have made a lot of assumptions about me. Anyway, what you're saying backs up my point imo. There is always some risk depending another party. If I'm using say python, I feel relatively secure they won't start shaking me down for money. For the reasons you mention, the same isn't true for ubuntu.