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In cycling there's a term called MAMIL, which means 'Middle Aged Man in Lycra'. It represents a grown man, clearly out of shape, with the latest and greatest eq

In cycling there's a term called MAMIL, which means 'Middle Aged Man in Lycra'. It represents a grown man, clearly out of shape, with the latest and greatest equipment that probably cost him north of tens of thousands of dollars, singing praises about about the edge his equipment gives him over everyone else - whilst sporting legs worth about 5 dollars. I play RTS games, which don't need any fancy equipment to play and win, but still don't believe you need a 5K USD monitor to play CS. My point is those things that cost money don't help win, reader, unless you're talking about those Nike sprinting shoes that were all the rage in the Olympics last year, those things rule.

Zurrrrr 4y ago
It's exactly this. People blow money on things they think give them even a slight advantage. At least, people who have money do. Then again, a fool and his money are soon parted.
- eertami 4y ago
  Or because the experience is just noticeably improved... I could play tennis with a 30$ racket from ALDI but it would be a lot less fun. I bet you use a high resolution monitor for work? You could argue that is blowing money on something for even a slight advantage, since you could do the same work on a 15" 1024x768 monitor too. Oh, but the experience sucks? Yeah exactly - that's why people want to improve their gaming experience even if those people are casual/only playing as a recreational hobby.
  - Zurrrrr 4y ago
    I'm talking about when there is no noticeable difference in experience, except in peoples minds. I'm obviously not denying there are times when there would be objective improvements, that just isn't what I was referring to.
dbttdft 4y ago
Yes I'm well aware of the consumer whore, but you don't understand, none of this is about money, it's about proper configuration. Vsync: Unbearable amount of input lag, feels like you're moving your mouse in molasses. It can be disabled for free by setting an option. (the amount of lag decreases as refresh rate increases. 60Hz vsync was the worst thing ever. 120Hz is somewhat acceptable). Me and my friends actually enable vsync from time to time to train ourselves to rely on aim less. 125Hz mouse: Visibly jittery. Just set it to 1000Hz, works on most mice even from 1999. 60HZ CRT: Kills your eyes due to flashing. Get 75Hz 75Hz CRT: Might have bad focus. Get one with good focus 60HZ LCD: Kills your eyes due to motion blur. Suggest 120Hz at bare minimum (yup, motion blur decreases as refresh rate increases). Some models lag as bad as vsync, just get a model that doesn't lag. This has nothing to do with cost, it's a common firmware bug that some models have some don't. 120HZ/240Hz LCD: Might be some garbage with so much overshoot that it's just as bad as the slow pixel response it tried to prevent. Get one without that issue
- fergal_reid 4y ago
  Is this actually true, or BS? If true, can someone explain? My mental model is that vsync will lock the framerate to the same as the monitor refresh. So if monitor is 60hz, my games graphical update rate runs at 60fps. Let's say without vsync, my graphical update rate would generously go up to 120hz. Worst case we're talking about an additional input latency due to vsync of maybe 1/60s? 16ms? I don't believe 16ms is significant for non pro level eSports players and even skeptical it's a big factor at that level. What am I missing here? I could understand if the get clock speed was tied to the graphical update rate but I presume that's not the case for CS, server side game etc; or even if it was it's still not going to be that material. I'm just skeptical - what am I missing here? Is the mouse input code tied to graphical clock rate or something in some surprising bad way?
  - hackerman_fi 4y ago
    The vsync latency is real and unbearable in some games. I think it uses a queue/buffer for frames which can cause latencies of multiple frames.
  - 4y ago
robbs 4y ago
A high refresh rate monitor does help in measurable ways. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2dPIHPNOeY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2dPIHPNOeY You don't need to spend lots of money to get 120+hz screens. They can be had for $150 if you're willing to make compromises.
- zerd 4y ago
  LTT also tested this for FPS games and both professionals and casual gamers improved significantly going from 60HZ to 144+. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX31kZbAXsA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX31kZbAXsA

Zurrrrr 4y ago

It's exactly this. People blow money on things they think give them even a slight advantage. At least, people who have money do. Then again, a fool and his money are soon parted.

eertami 4y ago
Or because the experience is just noticeably improved... I could play tennis with a 30$ racket from ALDI but it would be a lot less fun. I bet you use a high resolution monitor for work? You could argue that is blowing money on something for even a slight advantage, since you could do the same work on a 15" 1024x768 monitor too. Oh, but the experience sucks? Yeah exactly - that's why people want to improve their gaming experience even if those people are casual/only playing as a recreational hobby.
- Zurrrrr 4y ago
  I'm talking about when there is no noticeable difference in experience, except in peoples minds. I'm obviously not denying there are times when there would be objective improvements, that just isn't what I was referring to.

dbttdft 4y ago

Yes I'm well aware of the consumer whore, but you don't understand, none of this is about money, it's about proper configuration. Vsync: Unbearable amount of input lag, feels like you're moving your mouse in molasses. It can be disabled for free by setting an option. (the amount of lag decreases as refresh rate increases. 60Hz vsync was the worst thing ever. 120Hz is somewhat acceptable). Me and my friends actually enable vsync from time to time to train ourselves to rely on aim less. 125Hz mouse: Visibly jittery. Just set it to 1000Hz, works on most mice even from 1999. 60HZ CRT: Kills your eyes due to flashing. Get 75Hz 75Hz CRT: Might have bad focus. Get one with good focus 60HZ LCD: Kills your eyes due to motion blur. Suggest 120Hz at bare minimum (yup, motion blur decreases as refresh rate increases). Some models lag as bad as vsync, just get a model that doesn't lag. This has nothing to do with cost, it's a common firmware bug that some models have some don't. 120HZ/240Hz LCD: Might be some garbage with so much overshoot that it's just as bad as the slow pixel response it tried to prevent. Get one without that issue

fergal_reid 4y ago
Is this actually true, or BS? If true, can someone explain? My mental model is that vsync will lock the framerate to the same as the monitor refresh. So if monitor is 60hz, my games graphical update rate runs at 60fps. Let's say without vsync, my graphical update rate would generously go up to 120hz. Worst case we're talking about an additional input latency due to vsync of maybe 1/60s? 16ms? I don't believe 16ms is significant for non pro level eSports players and even skeptical it's a big factor at that level. What am I missing here? I could understand if the get clock speed was tied to the graphical update rate but I presume that's not the case for CS, server side game etc; or even if it was it's still not going to be that material. I'm just skeptical - what am I missing here? Is the mouse input code tied to graphical clock rate or something in some surprising bad way?
- hackerman_fi 4y ago
  The vsync latency is real and unbearable in some games. I think it uses a queue/buffer for frames which can cause latencies of multiple frames.
- 4y ago

robbs 4y ago

A high refresh rate monitor does help in measurable ways. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2dPIHPNOeY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2dPIHPNOeY You don't need to spend lots of money to get 120+hz screens. They can be had for $150 if you're willing to make compromises.

zerd 4y ago
LTT also tested this for FPS games and both professionals and casual gamers improved significantly going from 60HZ to 144+. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX31kZbAXsA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX31kZbAXsA