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Losing karma, no. It's more that comments get basically invisible after just a few downvotes. So posting anything unpopular just feels like a waste of time.

by sp332 4y ago

textread 4y ago
Keep at it sir, some of us are using the showdead userscript. Your radical opinions are worth a consideration, atleast for me.
- eatonphil 4y ago
  I turned on showdead for a while but it's so often unnecessarily mean comments that I turned it off. I got no value from seeing the dead comments.
dsfyu404ed 4y ago
That's the point of voting systems. They create or fake the appearance of community homogeneity of opinion by making well articulated wrong-think that might challenge the status quo not worth the effort.
- gericsleah 4y ago
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bilekas 4y ago
I half agree with this, but I think the problem lies with the people downvoting for extremely pedantic reasons or a misunderstanding. There is value in having pure drivel or outright false/hateful information hidden from view. It serves no purpose. This is the age old problem of every site with a social aspect though. I don't blame HN.
- gericsleah 4y ago
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Alupis 4y ago
As someone that rarely shies away from speaking my mind, even if it's unpopular - I would say just wait it out... There's an extremely vocal and downvote happy minority of users on HN that try to force everyone into agreement or cowardice. They will change language definitions and weaponize them against you, or try to turn you into some sort of monster for having differing opinions. Basically anything to silence opposing opinions. There is also an extremely quiet majority of users on HN that do not wade into those conversations out of what I presume is fear of the brigade or just being exhausted from it all... but they will support your arguments via voting (the only tool at their disposal). So... just wait out the extremists and allow the normal users to judge the quality of your arguments for what they are. Over a several hour or day long period, you will have a more accurate representation of what HN actually thinks about your arguments. It will be a roller-coaster of ups and downs along the way - that's normal. Stop caring about the points and start caring about the quality of your arguments or unique perspectives you can communicate. Stop downvoting simply because you disagree, and start downvoting for poorly crafted, provably incorrect and/or poorly communicated arguments. Speak your mind, no matter what it says. HN should be a place for open discussion from people of all walks of life unified by a loose commonality of a love for technology. It should not be a cesspool of unidirectional thoughts - and those who remain quiet contribute to that just as much as the brigade.
OJFord 4y ago
IME anything that's not Reddit-esque banter, trolling, etc. is never really 'unpopular' so much as it is controversial - comments that I notice get downvoted usually go back up too; then down again; where it ends up is perhaps more a function of where it happens to be when interest in the thread waned. I don't 'care about' it as a score, but I do pay attention to it as an indicator that maybe there's some reply/discussion going on and I should check /threads. It's also a slightly scary proxy for time sunk into HN, I suppose!

Losing karma, no. It's more that comments get basically invisible after just a few downvotes. So posting anything unpopular just feels like a waste of time.

by sp332 4y ago

Losing karma, no. It's more that comments get basically invisible after just a few downvotes. So posting anything unpopular just feels like a waste of time.

textread 4y ago

Keep at it sir, some of us are using the showdead userscript. Your radical opinions are worth a consideration, atleast for me.

eatonphil 4y ago
I turned on showdead for a while but it's so often unnecessarily mean comments that I turned it off. I got no value from seeing the dead comments.

dsfyu404ed 4y ago

That's the point of voting systems. They create or fake the appearance of community homogeneity of opinion by making well articulated wrong-think that might challenge the status quo not worth the effort.

gericsleah 4y ago
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bilekas 4y ago

I half agree with this, but I think the problem lies with the people downvoting for extremely pedantic reasons or a misunderstanding. There is value in having pure drivel or outright false/hateful information hidden from view. It serves no purpose. This is the age old problem of every site with a social aspect though. I don't blame HN.

gericsleah 4y ago
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Alupis 4y ago

As someone that rarely shies away from speaking my mind, even if it's unpopular - I would say just wait it out... There's an extremely vocal and downvote happy minority of users on HN that try to force everyone into agreement or cowardice. They will change language definitions and weaponize them against you, or try to turn you into some sort of monster for having differing opinions. Basically anything to silence opposing opinions. There is also an extremely quiet majority of users on HN that do not wade into those conversations out of what I presume is fear of the brigade or just being exhausted from it all... but they will support your arguments via voting (the only tool at their disposal). So... just wait out the extremists and allow the normal users to judge the quality of your arguments for what they are. Over a several hour or day long period, you will have a more accurate representation of what HN actually thinks about your arguments. It will be a roller-coaster of ups and downs along the way - that's normal. Stop caring about the points and start caring about the quality of your arguments or unique perspectives you can communicate. Stop downvoting simply because you disagree, and start downvoting for poorly crafted, provably incorrect and/or poorly communicated arguments. Speak your mind, no matter what it says. HN should be a place for open discussion from people of all walks of life unified by a loose commonality of a love for technology. It should not be a cesspool of unidirectional thoughts - and those who remain quiet contribute to that just as much as the brigade.

OJFord 4y ago

IME anything that's not Reddit-esque banter, trolling, etc. is never really 'unpopular' so much as it is controversial - comments that I notice get downvoted usually go back up too; then down again; where it ends up is perhaps more a function of where it happens to be when interest in the thread waned. I don't 'care about' it as a score, but I do pay attention to it as an indicator that maybe there's some reply/discussion going on and I should check /threads. It's also a slightly scary proxy for time sunk into HN, I suppose!