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> If you had tried to get over the wall you'd been shot and your family questioned. Although I agree with aspects o your general point, this is a bad take. Pr

> If you had tried to get over the wall you'd been shot and your family questioned. Although I agree with aspects o your general point, this is a bad take. Pretty sure this is also true of the US-Mexico border wall. It's just much longer so it's easier to get away with, but if you tried to cross illegally in front of a law enforcement official and ignored their orders to stop, odds are very good you'd be shot. And your family would definitely be questions during the ensuing investigation.

ahtihn 4y ago
> if you tried to cross illegally in front of a law enforcement official and ignored their orders to stop, odds are very good you'd be shot. How is shooting at someone crossing a border illegally reasonable use of force? It's a nonviolent offense that doesn't harm anyone directly.
- thwayunion 4y ago
  > How By force of law, which is my point :)
LarryMullins 4y ago
Maybe the Mexican border guards would shoot you for trying to illegally enter their country. But East German border guards were shooting East Germans who were welcomed by West German guards. Pretending that this is a typical state of border affairs is gross revisionism.
- thwayunion 4y ago
  > Maybe the Mexican border guards I think there's a good chance that you'd be shot at by US law enforcement if you tried to make an end-run through a border checkpoint, regardless of which direction you're going. In fact, they might even be more aggressive in the US -> Mexico direction (because follow-and-detain is less of an option and the presumption that anyone heading that direction illegally is either smuggling or evading arrest). > But East German border guards were shooting East Germans who were welcomed by West German guards. Pretending that this is a typical state of border affairs is gross revisionism. Of course. I think the point still stands.

ahtihn 4y ago

> if you tried to cross illegally in front of a law enforcement official and ignored their orders to stop, odds are very good you'd be shot. How is shooting at someone crossing a border illegally reasonable use of force? It's a nonviolent offense that doesn't harm anyone directly.

thwayunion 4y ago
> How By force of law, which is my point :)

LarryMullins 4y ago

Maybe the Mexican border guards would shoot you for trying to illegally enter their country. But East German border guards were shooting East Germans who were welcomed by West German guards. Pretending that this is a typical state of border affairs is gross revisionism.

thwayunion 4y ago
> Maybe the Mexican border guards I think there's a good chance that you'd be shot at by US law enforcement if you tried to make an end-run through a border checkpoint, regardless of which direction you're going. In fact, they might even be more aggressive in the US -> Mexico direction (because follow-and-detain is less of an option and the presumption that anyone heading that direction illegally is either smuggling or evading arrest). > But East German border guards were shooting East Germans who were welcomed by West German guards. Pretending that this is a typical state of border affairs is gross revisionism. Of course. I think the point still stands.