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Because two wrongs make a right is almost becoming a campaign slogan of some "left" causes. As a liberal my views haven't changed much over the past decade but

Because two wrongs make a right is almost becoming a campaign slogan of some "left" causes. As a liberal my views haven't changed much over the past decade but the ground has definitely fallen away from me. I used to be liberal, but then they changed what liberal was, now what I am isn't liberal and what is liberal seems weird and scary to me. It'll happen to you... - Abe Simpson

snapcaster 4y ago
Holding static views is a sign of stagnation right? has nothing in the world changed over the past decade? nothing to re-evaluate anything?
- francisofascii 4y ago
  Foundational principles that have been debated and continually established since civilization began should stay mostly static. Policies may change, but not the principles.
slg 4y ago
>As a liberal my views haven't changed much over the past decade but the ground has definitely fallen away from me. Well yes, because liberalism is about "progress" while conservatism is about "traditional values". Liberalism is constantly evolving while conservatism is not. It is more extreme to fight for trans rights than it is to fight for gay rights than it is to fight for women's rights. If you magically transported a liberal from a decade ago to today, they will inherently be viewed as more conservative. Obama didn't support gay marriage until 2012. Very few liberal politicians today would be against gay marriage. Your views not changing means your views are becoming more conservative because they are falling behind the "progress" that liberals are always pushing towards. And also it is worth noting that according to Pew "[Congressional] Republicans have moved further to the right than [Congressional] Democrats have to the left"[1] [1] - https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/03/10/the-polarization-in-todays-congress-has-roots-that-go-back-decades/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/03/10/the-polariz...
- pessimizer 4y ago
  You're going to be very confused when liberals become anti-trans, and pretend like trans rights were actually only being pushed by a minority of liberal extremists, e.g. defund and police abolition, M4A etc.. With that you will have joined the extreme left, which due to the horseshoe principle (all anti-establishment narratives are equally unhinged), will put you on the extreme right, all without ever having changed your opinion. Or you'll change your opinion. Either way. Situational morality is actually a sign of progress.
  - Vt71fcAqt7 4y ago
    >You're going to be very confused when liberals become anti-trans What makes you say this?
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- int_19h 4y ago
  Conservatism is also constantly evolving in practice - it just labels whatever its current dogma as "traditional values" regardless of historicity. The political history of abortion in US, and especially and attitudes towards it by the Republicans, is one spectacular example. Welfare is another - e.g. how many people are aware that Nixon of all people tried to pass UBI? (https://thecorrespondent.com/4503/the-bizarre-tale-of-president-nixon-and-his-basic-income-bill/173117835-c34d6145 https://thecorrespondent.com/4503/the-bizarre-tale-of-presid...)
andrepd 4y ago
The comment you replied is saying that Leftists are not represented by unhinged people on twitter. Your response is a simpsons quote. I rest my case.

snapcaster 4y ago

Holding static views is a sign of stagnation right? has nothing in the world changed over the past decade? nothing to re-evaluate anything?

francisofascii 4y ago
Foundational principles that have been debated and continually established since civilization began should stay mostly static. Policies may change, but not the principles.

slg 4y ago

>As a liberal my views haven't changed much over the past decade but the ground has definitely fallen away from me. Well yes, because liberalism is about "progress" while conservatism is about "traditional values". Liberalism is constantly evolving while conservatism is not. It is more extreme to fight for trans rights than it is to fight for gay rights than it is to fight for women's rights. If you magically transported a liberal from a decade ago to today, they will inherently be viewed as more conservative. Obama didn't support gay marriage until 2012. Very few liberal politicians today would be against gay marriage. Your views not changing means your views are becoming more conservative because they are falling behind the "progress" that liberals are always pushing towards. And also it is worth noting that according to Pew "[Congressional] Republicans have moved further to the right than [Congressional] Democrats have to the left"[1] [1] - https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/03/10/the-polarization-in-todays-congress-has-roots-that-go-back-decades/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/03/10/the-polariz...

pessimizer 4y ago
You're going to be very confused when liberals become anti-trans, and pretend like trans rights were actually only being pushed by a minority of liberal extremists, e.g. defund and police abolition, M4A etc.. With that you will have joined the extreme left, which due to the horseshoe principle (all anti-establishment narratives are equally unhinged), will put you on the extreme right, all without ever having changed your opinion. Or you'll change your opinion. Either way. Situational morality is actually a sign of progress.
- Vt71fcAqt7 4y ago
  >You're going to be very confused when liberals become anti-trans What makes you say this?
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int_19h 4y ago
Conservatism is also constantly evolving in practice - it just labels whatever its current dogma as "traditional values" regardless of historicity. The political history of abortion in US, and especially and attitudes towards it by the Republicans, is one spectacular example. Welfare is another - e.g. how many people are aware that Nixon of all people tried to pass UBI? (https://thecorrespondent.com/4503/the-bizarre-tale-of-president-nixon-and-his-basic-income-bill/173117835-c34d6145 https://thecorrespondent.com/4503/the-bizarre-tale-of-presid...)

andrepd 4y ago

The comment you replied is saying that Leftists are not represented by unhinged people on twitter. Your response is a simpsons quote. I rest my case.