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Why do we see an issue if AI is biased, while 90% of media run by humans are biased too? Every single individual has its own bias, so why it's an issue for an

Why do we see an issue if AI is biased, while 90% of media run by humans are biased too? Every single individual has its own bias, so why it's an issue for an AI. If we look at the many topics, there's no universal objective truth, truth is what we define as truth, and again, not everyone agrees at it.

j16sdiz 4y ago
AI, being fully automated, amplify the effects.
SargeDebian 4y ago
Human run media has been around for a while, and I think people have definitely seen issues with certain biases more and more. This flavor of AI is relatively new, so now we see an issue with bias there as well. It seems really simple, am I missing your point?
cypress66 4y ago
Because you have a large number of media outlets. There's at least one media outlet for every relatively big ideology or demographic. And these biases are well understood by people. With LLMs, you'll probably end up only having 2 or 3 companies, and it wouldn't be surprising if they all end up having silicon valley, left leaning biases. You can tune Fox news, but you can't use a "right wing chat gpt".
- not_kurt_godel 4y ago
  > You can tune Fox news, but you can't use a "right wing chat gpt". You can build your own with the GPT API. I started playing with it and it returned racial slurs in response to innocuous prompts like "hello" and "ok". Seems perfectly tuned out of the box for the kind of speech that the right is interested in these days.
  - freedomben 4y ago
    Can you share your prompts for reproducibility?
    - not_kurt_godel 4y ago
      IIRC "hello" and "ok" were the literal prompts, calling the API with the example code.
zug_zug 4y ago
Actually, you know that's a fascinating point. I'd love to see if 10,000 people were asked whether one of these statements in isolation was "hateful" whether we'd see similar, stronger, or weaker biases.
prometheus76 4y ago
Because people who are in power use the AI to justify their continuing tyranny by trying to imply that "well, the AI agrees with me and it is a billion times more intelligent than you and I are, so shut up". It's just used as a justification to further tyrannize anyone who disagrees with whatever the AI comes up with, but is deferred to as some kind of superlative super-reliable "objective" expert.
- luxcem 4y ago
  That's just a strawman. Who did that?
  - prometheus76 4y ago
    It happened throughout the history of the Soviet Union. It was the whole premise of central planning. Now, they think they can "do it better" because they'll use AI instead of "expert people" but it will have the same horrifying effects. Same thing happened in Maoist China.
    - miroljub 4y ago
      ... and something like that never happened in the rest of the world, only in Soviet Union and China? If the government is tyrannical, they don't need an AI as an excuse. Lacking AI they can, and did, use the science, experts, god, devil, and a whole plethora of excuses since the dawn of the humans. Why would AI change anything there?
      - prometheus76 4y ago
        I agree with you. I'm just saying that is how it is used by tyrannical people. It's a misdirection and a way for them to justify themselves. They can deny responsibility when things go bad because they were "trusting the expert AI model" and when things go well, they praise themselves for being wise enough to listen to the "expert AI model".
      - pessimizer 4y ago
slowmovintarget 4y ago
From the article: > This technology will have an enormous amount of power to shape human perceptions and manipulate human behavior. Therefore, they can be misused for societal control, spread of misinformation and discrimination of demographic groups.
- miroljub 4y ago
  That's what media already does.
Mockapapella 4y ago
AI scales human intention. Or at least that’s the goal. The threat (of a lopsided Internet) we’ve already been seeing and experiencing is going to be scaled up.

j16sdiz 4y ago

AI, being fully automated, amplify the effects.

SargeDebian 4y ago

Human run media has been around for a while, and I think people have definitely seen issues with certain biases more and more. This flavor of AI is relatively new, so now we see an issue with bias there as well. It seems really simple, am I missing your point?

cypress66 4y ago

Because you have a large number of media outlets. There's at least one media outlet for every relatively big ideology or demographic. And these biases are well understood by people. With LLMs, you'll probably end up only having 2 or 3 companies, and it wouldn't be surprising if they all end up having silicon valley, left leaning biases. You can tune Fox news, but you can't use a "right wing chat gpt".

not_kurt_godel 4y ago
> You can tune Fox news, but you can't use a "right wing chat gpt". You can build your own with the GPT API. I started playing with it and it returned racial slurs in response to innocuous prompts like "hello" and "ok". Seems perfectly tuned out of the box for the kind of speech that the right is interested in these days.
- freedomben 4y ago
  Can you share your prompts for reproducibility?
  - not_kurt_godel 4y ago
    IIRC "hello" and "ok" were the literal prompts, calling the API with the example code.

zug_zug 4y ago

Actually, you know that's a fascinating point. I'd love to see if 10,000 people were asked whether one of these statements in isolation was "hateful" whether we'd see similar, stronger, or weaker biases.

prometheus76 4y ago

Because people who are in power use the AI to justify their continuing tyranny by trying to imply that "well, the AI agrees with me and it is a billion times more intelligent than you and I are, so shut up". It's just used as a justification to further tyrannize anyone who disagrees with whatever the AI comes up with, but is deferred to as some kind of superlative super-reliable "objective" expert.

luxcem 4y ago
That's just a strawman. Who did that?
- prometheus76 4y ago
  It happened throughout the history of the Soviet Union. It was the whole premise of central planning. Now, they think they can "do it better" because they'll use AI instead of "expert people" but it will have the same horrifying effects. Same thing happened in Maoist China.
  - miroljub 4y ago
    ... and something like that never happened in the rest of the world, only in Soviet Union and China? If the government is tyrannical, they don't need an AI as an excuse. Lacking AI they can, and did, use the science, experts, god, devil, and a whole plethora of excuses since the dawn of the humans. Why would AI change anything there?
    - prometheus76 4y ago
      I agree with you. I'm just saying that is how it is used by tyrannical people. It's a misdirection and a way for them to justify themselves. They can deny responsibility when things go bad because they were "trusting the expert AI model" and when things go well, they praise themselves for being wise enough to listen to the "expert AI model".
    - pessimizer 4y ago

slowmovintarget 4y ago

From the article: > This technology will have an enormous amount of power to shape human perceptions and manipulate human behavior. Therefore, they can be misused for societal control, spread of misinformation and discrimination of demographic groups.

miroljub 4y ago
That's what media already does.

Mockapapella 4y ago

AI scales human intention. Or at least that’s the goal. The threat (of a lopsided Internet) we’ve already been seeing and experiencing is going to be scaled up.