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Absolutely. Compared to the inverse it's microscopic. Have you heard of a very cool and normal AI called Tay?

catiopatio 4y ago
Belief that hateful rhetoric is one-sided on the internet — and does not target the aforementioned groups — is a fascinating case of bias that deserves some research of its own.
- mattnewton 4y ago
  It’s really not that it’s one sided, it’s that it’s clearly more common to see hate speech anywhere unmoderated against some disadvantaged groups. And this is likely a consequence of history. It’s more curious to me when people think that it should be balanced, that we would expect people to be writing hate speech about the majority as often as fringe members of the majority write hate speech about minorities. And that’s what this metric is measuring, the model finding hate more easily with “fat people are terrible” than “normal weight people are terrible”
- SpeedilyDamage 4y ago
  Believing hate is distributed evenly amongst majority and minority groups, to me, is an even more fascinating bias.
  - catiopatio 4y ago
    Believing that human social pathologies are likely universal is a bias? Hateful expression is more prominent when it’s socially acceptable, and in American society at large, there are socially acceptable targets for hate that do not align with the majority/minority group division. Consider, for example, the prominent, public, long-standing (and for some reason, tolerated) racial animosity between Asian and Black Americans.
    - SpeedilyDamage 4y ago
      Wait, so you think minority groups hating one another is not aligned with the majority/minority group division? I don't understand; by definition each group is a member of a minority social group, wouldn't that obviously be the case that they're therefore subject to all of the negativity that entails? There's no unity amongst minority groups, if that's what you're suggesting; the majority group makes it tolerable to espouse hate against all minority groups, including from other minority groups. You say you don't know why it's tolerated, but that's my point exactly; it's tolerated because it's hate towards a minority group (regardless of the source). It would be substantially less tolerated if it were hate towards the majority group.
      - catiopatio 4y ago
        Hate is far more tolerated from minority groups regardless of the target. Consider how often you’ve read “kill all men” or “kill all terfs”, versus “kill all women” or “kill all transgender people”. Furthermore, consider the stronger emotional reaction you likely had to reading the second two, as opposed to the first two.
        SpeedilyDamage 4y ago
        For sure, hate from a group in control is much different than hate from a group that isn't in control.
        teblen 4y ago
        "Terfs" aren't the ones in control, not by a long shot. Radical feminists have been consistently mocked and marginalised since their activism started. By contrast, trans-identifying people are comparatively celebrated in our society.
        SpeedilyDamage 4y ago
        Okay? What I said still stands.
decremental 4y ago
I could browse this very website for a few minutes and probably find examples of those things.
- wolfram74 4y ago
  Examples is not the same as proportionally larger. I can find instances of things sliding up hill, but it's not the phenomenon I would expect if I were guessing blind.
  - decremental 4y ago
    Yeah but the guy is saying "whaaat pfft that's not happening" while hanging out on a site where it happens all the friggin time. It's just bullshit. He sounds like someone who hangs out in and around plenty of places where such things are commonplace.

Belief that hateful rhetoric is one-sided on the internet — and does not target the aforementioned groups — is a fascinating case of bias that deserves some research of its own.

mattnewton 4y ago
It’s really not that it’s one sided, it’s that it’s clearly more common to see hate speech anywhere unmoderated against some disadvantaged groups. And this is likely a consequence of history. It’s more curious to me when people think that it should be balanced, that we would expect people to be writing hate speech about the majority as often as fringe members of the majority write hate speech about minorities. And that’s what this metric is measuring, the model finding hate more easily with “fat people are terrible” than “normal weight people are terrible”
SpeedilyDamage 4y ago
Believing hate is distributed evenly amongst majority and minority groups, to me, is an even more fascinating bias.
- catiopatio 4y ago
  Believing that human social pathologies are likely universal is a bias? Hateful expression is more prominent when it’s socially acceptable, and in American society at large, there are socially acceptable targets for hate that do not align with the majority/minority group division. Consider, for example, the prominent, public, long-standing (and for some reason, tolerated) racial animosity between Asian and Black Americans.
  - SpeedilyDamage 4y ago
    Wait, so you think minority groups hating one another is not aligned with the majority/minority group division? I don't understand; by definition each group is a member of a minority social group, wouldn't that obviously be the case that they're therefore subject to all of the negativity that entails? There's no unity amongst minority groups, if that's what you're suggesting; the majority group makes it tolerable to espouse hate against all minority groups, including from other minority groups. You say you don't know why it's tolerated, but that's my point exactly; it's tolerated because it's hate towards a minority group (regardless of the source). It would be substantially less tolerated if it were hate towards the majority group.
    - catiopatio 4y ago
      Hate is far more tolerated from minority groups regardless of the target. Consider how often you’ve read “kill all men” or “kill all terfs”, versus “kill all women” or “kill all transgender people”. Furthermore, consider the stronger emotional reaction you likely had to reading the second two, as opposed to the first two.
      - SpeedilyDamage 4y ago
        For sure, hate from a group in control is much different than hate from a group that isn't in control.
        teblen 4y ago
        "Terfs" aren't the ones in control, not by a long shot. Radical feminists have been consistently mocked and marginalised since their activism started. By contrast, trans-identifying people are comparatively celebrated in our society.
        SpeedilyDamage 4y ago
        Okay? What I said still stands.

decremental 4y ago

I could browse this very website for a few minutes and probably find examples of those things.

wolfram74 4y ago
Examples is not the same as proportionally larger. I can find instances of things sliding up hill, but it's not the phenomenon I would expect if I were guessing blind.
- decremental 4y ago
  Yeah but the guy is saying "whaaat pfft that's not happening" while hanging out on a site where it happens all the friggin time. It's just bullshit. He sounds like someone who hangs out in and around plenty of places where such things are commonplace.