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It's not an either or bud, it's both. IF you are allowing laws in place that these police officers are able to use as justification then your government is just

It's not an either or bud, it's both. IF you are allowing laws in place that these police officers are able to use as justification then your government is just as at fault as the officers. It's pure idiocy not to blame both. Where do you think the officers get their power from? It's like you're failing to reach the logical conclusion and blunting your own thought process because you hate cops. Cops AND the government giving them the power to do stuff like this are both to blame.

colpabar 4y ago
I’m not your bud, guy.
- DrThunder 4y ago
  Oh ok, that upset you but yelling bullshit in your comments with no objective data to back your statements up is fine? You need to chill. Maybe use your anger vote in someone who doesn't allow your police officers to act this way?
wonderwonder 4y ago
The laws don't actually have to exist. Cops can arrest you if they just say they thought it was the law and that the believed they had the right to enforce it. They can totally make it up. So while you may not be convicted of violating a made up law you still have to deal with all the consequences of the arrest. No ramifications for the cops at all. They have virtually unlimited power.
- DrThunder 4y ago
  They don't hold up in court if that's the case and they get sued out of existence or imprisoned in many cases. This is just a flat out false assumption especially in today's climate. The city government can remove powers from these officers as well. The legislative branch is responsible for writing laws in a way that don't allow the executive branch (leo's) that much leeway. They are just as at fault for letting this exist. YOU are electing the wrong people to your local government office if officer's are able to function that far outside of the law with no repercussions. I think you'd have a pretty hard case arguing that police officer's are just getting away with acting outside the law over the past couple years.
  - wonderwonder 4y ago
    The supreme court actually decided this. Cops just have to think they are enforcing the law. Cops for the most part cannot be personally sued due to qualified immunity. Tax payers just cover any litigation losses. Vast majority of times cops break the law there are no repercussions. The latest high profile cases are an exception. Even when committing an egregious act and charged, cops are often found not guilty. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver Much of the power of local officials is blunted by agreements in place with police unions. I'm not electing anyone. I have one vote. I see almost no difference in police violence regardless of what political party is in local power. Everything you have written is wishful thinking.
    - DrThunder 4y ago
      So your fix is to do nothing and complain? Sounds like a great plan. Maybe stop living in places that are run this way? Who let the supposed powerful police unions get that way? The police are an arm of the government. You will change nothing by targeting the result of government overreach instead of the cause.
      - wonderwonder 4y ago
        Lol, I have no idea why you are so angry at me. I have no plans at all to address the issue. I'm not going to pack up my kids and move out of America. How do you think I am personally going to change the government? I very much think you are confusing me, a regular guy with someone who has much much more power. Congratulations though on personally solving all government problems wherever you live.
        DrThunder 4y ago
        You don't care that police are just going rogue with the law and killing people with no recourse? Why are you even commenting on this thread at all then? If I really thought that I would get the fuck out instantly or do my best to fix it. A place like that isn't somewhere I'd willingly live, and I certainly wouldn't want my children growing up in that environment. Are you saying you're ok with your kids potentially getting killed by these rogue cops? Personally, I think either you weren't serious with your comments, or you're now realizing that what you said doesn't hold water.

colpabar 4y ago

I’m not your bud, guy.

DrThunder 4y ago
Oh ok, that upset you but yelling bullshit in your comments with no objective data to back your statements up is fine? You need to chill. Maybe use your anger vote in someone who doesn't allow your police officers to act this way?

wonderwonder 4y ago

The laws don't actually have to exist. Cops can arrest you if they just say they thought it was the law and that the believed they had the right to enforce it. They can totally make it up. So while you may not be convicted of violating a made up law you still have to deal with all the consequences of the arrest. No ramifications for the cops at all. They have virtually unlimited power.

DrThunder 4y ago
They don't hold up in court if that's the case and they get sued out of existence or imprisoned in many cases. This is just a flat out false assumption especially in today's climate. The city government can remove powers from these officers as well. The legislative branch is responsible for writing laws in a way that don't allow the executive branch (leo's) that much leeway. They are just as at fault for letting this exist. YOU are electing the wrong people to your local government office if officer's are able to function that far outside of the law with no repercussions. I think you'd have a pretty hard case arguing that police officer's are just getting away with acting outside the law over the past couple years.
- wonderwonder 4y ago
  The supreme court actually decided this. Cops just have to think they are enforcing the law. Cops for the most part cannot be personally sued due to qualified immunity. Tax payers just cover any litigation losses. Vast majority of times cops break the law there are no repercussions. The latest high profile cases are an exception. Even when committing an egregious act and charged, cops are often found not guilty. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver Much of the power of local officials is blunted by agreements in place with police unions. I'm not electing anyone. I have one vote. I see almost no difference in police violence regardless of what political party is in local power. Everything you have written is wishful thinking.
  - DrThunder 4y ago
    So your fix is to do nothing and complain? Sounds like a great plan. Maybe stop living in places that are run this way? Who let the supposed powerful police unions get that way? The police are an arm of the government. You will change nothing by targeting the result of government overreach instead of the cause.
    - wonderwonder 4y ago
      Lol, I have no idea why you are so angry at me. I have no plans at all to address the issue. I'm not going to pack up my kids and move out of America. How do you think I am personally going to change the government? I very much think you are confusing me, a regular guy with someone who has much much more power. Congratulations though on personally solving all government problems wherever you live.
      - DrThunder 4y ago
        You don't care that police are just going rogue with the law and killing people with no recourse? Why are you even commenting on this thread at all then? If I really thought that I would get the fuck out instantly or do my best to fix it. A place like that isn't somewhere I'd willingly live, and I certainly wouldn't want my children growing up in that environment. Are you saying you're ok with your kids potentially getting killed by these rogue cops? Personally, I think either you weren't serious with your comments, or you're now realizing that what you said doesn't hold water.