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Clear that we're moving to a post-truth society. Visuals can be deepfaked, voices AI-generated. Could crypto unironically be the way out of this mess? If a doc

by spaceman_2020 4y ago

Clear that we're moving to a post-truth society. Visuals can be deepfaked, voices AI-generated. Could crypto unironically be the way out of this mess? If a document isn't signed by a wallet associated with you, it should not be considered authentic?

kozziollek 4y ago
And why would you need crypto for that? You can sign stuff without crypto.
- spaceman_2020 4y ago
  Sure. I just mentioned crypto because that's what I'm familiar with, and there's already some infrastructure in place to facilitate it. But you will likely need to sign messages posted online - crypto or with your encryption key.
- msm_ 4y ago
  You can't sign stuff without crypto (unless you mean by hand, on paper). Cryptographic signatures by design involve cryptography. I know what you both meant, just playing with words, sorry. I just hope now that the dust has settled, we can go back to the world where "crypto" meant "cryptography", not anything else[1] [1] https://www.cryptoisnotcryptocurrency.com/ https://www.cryptoisnotcryptocurrency.com/
petesergeant 4y ago
> we're moving to a post-truth society This is far too dramatic. What's actually happening is that we simply no longer give _unattributed_ audio and video the benefit of the doubt. Data pedigree and attribution will become more important, but we're already in a place where real media is routinely misrepresented by bad actors (as a lot of purported Ukraine war footage has shown), and this will simply make us more skeptical still. > Could crypto unironically be the way out of this mess I did pitch a PhD study area on this[0] before deciding I didn't want to do a PhD or get into crypto. But I do think signing media and signed attribution chains will become more important ... but I don't see much need for it to be distributed. I (along with a huge number of other people) already sign documents digitally using a 3rd party service 0: https://github.com/pjlsergeant/multimedia-trust-and-certification https://github.com/pjlsergeant/multimedia-trust-and-certific...

kozziollek 4y ago

And why would you need crypto for that? You can sign stuff without crypto.

spaceman_2020 4y ago
Sure. I just mentioned crypto because that's what I'm familiar with, and there's already some infrastructure in place to facilitate it. But you will likely need to sign messages posted online - crypto or with your encryption key.
msm_ 4y ago
You can't sign stuff without crypto (unless you mean by hand, on paper). Cryptographic signatures by design involve cryptography. I know what you both meant, just playing with words, sorry. I just hope now that the dust has settled, we can go back to the world where "crypto" meant "cryptography", not anything else[1] [1] https://www.cryptoisnotcryptocurrency.com/ https://www.cryptoisnotcryptocurrency.com/

petesergeant 4y ago

> we're moving to a post-truth society This is far too dramatic. What's actually happening is that we simply no longer give _unattributed_ audio and video the benefit of the doubt. Data pedigree and attribution will become more important, but we're already in a place where real media is routinely misrepresented by bad actors (as a lot of purported Ukraine war footage has shown), and this will simply make us more skeptical still. > Could crypto unironically be the way out of this mess I did pitch a PhD study area on this[0] before deciding I didn't want to do a PhD or get into crypto. But I do think signing media and signed attribution chains will become more important ... but I don't see much need for it to be distributed. I (along with a huge number of other people) already sign documents digitally using a 3rd party service 0: https://github.com/pjlsergeant/multimedia-trust-and-certification https://github.com/pjlsergeant/multimedia-trust-and-certific...