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> The fairytale ending is reality, but you didn’t kiss the toad. Some philological pedantery: In the canonical Brothers Grimm version of The Frog Prince, the f

> The fairytale ending is reality, but you didn’t kiss the toad. Some philological pedantery: In the canonical Brothers Grimm version of The Frog Prince, the frog does not turn into a prince when kissed but when smashed against a wall.

qcic 4y ago
Which is much more gruesome and makes a lot more sense. I expect more hesitancy in potentially killing the prince than kissing a frog.
IncRnd 4y ago
Followed by: But, as he fell, he was changed from a frog into a handsome Prince with beautiful eyes, and after a little while he became, with her father’s consent, her dear companion and playmate. [1] [1] https://www.pookpress.co.uk/the-frog-prince-story-a-tale-by-the-brothers-grimm/ https://www.pookpress.co.uk/the-frog-prince-story-a-tale-by-...
caporaltito 4y ago
From now on, I will switch to this version for my child's story before sleep
mijoharas 4y ago
Sounds like polymorph from DND to me. > The transformation lasts for the duration, or until the target drops to 0 hit points or dies. https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Polymorph#content https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Polymorph#content [Edit] trimmed quote
- FeepingCreature 4y ago
  But as he fell, he was changed from a frog into a handsome prince, who then had to make death saving throws for a few rounds but luckily the princess had Lay On Hands, and so they lived happily ever after.
mlindner 4y ago
I'm not sure if you can call Brothers Grimm version "canonical" as from my understanding all they did was document in writing single versions of already well known folk tales that were carried through generations by oral memory. Many of which had many different versions depending on who told the story. So I'm not sure you can use the word "canonical" in this case.
- kilgnad 4y ago
  Its possible it still fits the word. The bible is canonical too even though it's basically a pieces of disparate texts. Basically if it's the first and earliest record and the one that everyone looks to as the most accurate source it's canonical.
  - azernik 4y ago
    That's relevant to the Bible, or Shakespeare, or the MCU, because those works' authors have authority in a way the Brothers Grimm do not have authority over folklore.
    - kilgnad 4y ago
      Bible does not have authority. It simply has a large following. No one has authority over the content in the bible. For the MCU, yes, by law Disney has authority over the MCU.
      - azernik 4y ago
        There are multiple competing authorities, but they are absolutely authorities, and their versions of individual texts are extremely close to each other. Most notably, for the actual list of books there's the Catholic Church for the Catholic canon; the Masoretes for Judaism; Synods for the Greek Orthodox canon; and a broad consensus in the Protestant community. For the texts themselves, the Septuagint and the Masoretic text are the only game in town for the Hebrew Bible, while the Greek texts of the New Testament were very firmly set in stone by the Imperial Roman Church (as central of an authority as it gets). Note that some of these authorities (the Masoretes, the Imperial Roman Church) do not exist anymore. THat just means that canon is unchangeable, it still exists.
kirushik 4y ago
Grimmsc version is a bit weird then, because there is a plausibly-sounding "freundian" interpretation of the most common folklore version, in which a frog turning into a prince after being kissed is a thinly veiled metaphor for fellatio. That said, in the most common Russian folk version it's *Princess* Frog (Царевна Лягушка), and the metaphor is not working that well once again.
- poulpy123 4y ago
  How is it even remotely plausible ?
BiteCode_dev 4y ago
I was expecting this threads to turn into a fire dumpster, and instead it turned into exactly the kind of debate I read HN for.

qcic 4y ago

Which is much more gruesome and makes a lot more sense. I expect more hesitancy in potentially killing the prince than kissing a frog.

IncRnd 4y ago

Followed by: But, as he fell, he was changed from a frog into a handsome Prince with beautiful eyes, and after a little while he became, with her father’s consent, her dear companion and playmate. [1] [1] https://www.pookpress.co.uk/the-frog-prince-story-a-tale-by-the-brothers-grimm/ https://www.pookpress.co.uk/the-frog-prince-story-a-tale-by-...

caporaltito 4y ago

From now on, I will switch to this version for my child's story before sleep

mijoharas 4y ago

Sounds like polymorph from DND to me. > The transformation lasts for the duration, or until the target drops to 0 hit points or dies. https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Polymorph#content https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Polymorph#content [Edit] trimmed quote

FeepingCreature 4y ago
But as he fell, he was changed from a frog into a handsome prince, who then had to make death saving throws for a few rounds but luckily the princess had Lay On Hands, and so they lived happily ever after.

mlindner 4y ago

I'm not sure if you can call Brothers Grimm version "canonical" as from my understanding all they did was document in writing single versions of already well known folk tales that were carried through generations by oral memory. Many of which had many different versions depending on who told the story. So I'm not sure you can use the word "canonical" in this case.

kilgnad 4y ago
Its possible it still fits the word. The bible is canonical too even though it's basically a pieces of disparate texts. Basically if it's the first and earliest record and the one that everyone looks to as the most accurate source it's canonical.
- azernik 4y ago
  That's relevant to the Bible, or Shakespeare, or the MCU, because those works' authors have authority in a way the Brothers Grimm do not have authority over folklore.
  - kilgnad 4y ago
    Bible does not have authority. It simply has a large following. No one has authority over the content in the bible. For the MCU, yes, by law Disney has authority over the MCU.
    - azernik 4y ago
      There are multiple competing authorities, but they are absolutely authorities, and their versions of individual texts are extremely close to each other. Most notably, for the actual list of books there's the Catholic Church for the Catholic canon; the Masoretes for Judaism; Synods for the Greek Orthodox canon; and a broad consensus in the Protestant community. For the texts themselves, the Septuagint and the Masoretic text are the only game in town for the Hebrew Bible, while the Greek texts of the New Testament were very firmly set in stone by the Imperial Roman Church (as central of an authority as it gets). Note that some of these authorities (the Masoretes, the Imperial Roman Church) do not exist anymore. THat just means that canon is unchangeable, it still exists.

kirushik 4y ago

Grimmsc version is a bit weird then, because there is a plausibly-sounding "freundian" interpretation of the most common folklore version, in which a frog turning into a prince after being kissed is a thinly veiled metaphor for fellatio. That said, in the most common Russian folk version it's *Princess* Frog (Царевна Лягушка), and the metaphor is not working that well once again.

poulpy123 4y ago
How is it even remotely plausible ?

BiteCode_dev 4y ago

I was expecting this threads to turn into a fire dumpster, and instead it turned into exactly the kind of debate I read HN for.