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The deepfake thechnology is awesome and should be available to everybody. Because this is the only way everybody can be finally taught to think critically about

The deepfake thechnology is awesome and should be available to everybody. Because this is the only way everybody can be finally taught to think critically about everything thay hear/see. Can you believe a politician saying something on TV? Hell no! You should exercise logic about the whole political play he is a part of. Should you think bad about a person you find on a porn site? Absolutely no, what good could result out of this in any case? This has always been like this but now there is a thing which can push this into the common sense.

trashtester 4y ago
This rabbit hole goes waaay deep. Why should people believe anything you say on this topic? How can they know you're not a bot or a psy-ops troll working for Xi or Putin with the mission to undermine the very fabric of Democratic societies? What truths/facts should people NOT doubt when they're using "common sense" and thinking "critically". Are we not all affected by propaganda that directly targets what we consider "facts" and "common sense"? So, to complete the paradox, I will claim one "fact": As humans there are VERY FEW "facts" we can know from first principles, and there are even fewer pinciples we can now for a fact to be universal, or even useful. We DEPEND on at least some authorities, whether those are people, institutions, ideas or beliefs. When someone says "think critically!", they mean that you should put some higher burden of evidence on SOME of your beliefs. But not all, and definitely not those that this someone take as axiomatical truths. An my main worry is not to find some celebrity's face on PornHub. My main concern is the day when almost everything we see that claims to be news has been tampered with in such a way. If we have now way to tell a deepfake from a true video, we can be made to believe absolutely anything. This can be used to ruin lives, trigger wars, including civil wars, cause nuclear holocaust. And it's already happening. Twitter is full of lies of every kind and from all parties and countries. We may need to find a way back to a world where there is one main shared narrative that we can all more or less trust. Where the custodians of the institutions that provide the narrative understand the need to maintain the trust and the risks involved in undermining the trust for personal gain, and where there are checks and balances that removes bad actors from such positions. Without this, I believe we're f'ed, but HOW to obtain it, I don't know.
- qwerty456127 4y ago
  > Why should people believe anything you say on this topic? They shouldn't. I would just be glad if they would analyse my oppinion and try to understand what do I mean. Whenever I mention a fact they should check it if they consider it important. > How can they know you're not a bot or a psy-ops troll working for Xi or Putin with the mission to undermine the very fabric of Democratic societies? I am a psy-ops troll working for myself, my mission is to destroy unconscious beliefs, help people choose their own perception and beliefs counsciously, develop habits to exercise valid logic and become unmanipulatable and happy this way. Perhaps this indeed can undermine the fabric of Democratic societies. Democratic (let alone autocratic) is not free, it generally is a dictate of opportunist manipulators who manage to mesmerize the majority (while majority is never too bright). Isn't it?' > As humans there are VERY FEW "facts" we can know from first principles "A person looking like this is being shown on TV waying that right now" is a fact (not 100% reliable, perhaps I'v dreaming, but it most probably is). The statement he announces is not a fact, probably a lie. But now we can speculate about why would he say that now, given current context, how probable it is he is nit a deepfake and whether or not does this matter. Only 5 different regular polyhedra forms can exist in euclidean 3D space - this is another fact.
  - trashtester 4y ago
    > I am a psy-ops troll working for myself, So you say. How can I know you're not lying even there? > Only 5 different regular polyhedra forms can exist in euclidean 3D space - this is another fact. Most people are no more able to verify this statement than statements about 11-dimensional string theory. If you have their trust, they will belive you, otherwise, not. Regardless of whether it's true. This goes all the way down. If highly educated and intelligent people are not able to overcome their diffences and clearly state what math and science is saying, including what the error bars are, and for all domains (including climate and sociobiology), people will distrust scentists they see as aligned with the other side.
    - qwerty456127 4y ago
      > How can I know you're not lying even there? You never know. People mostly just believe what and whom they feel like believing. People having an idea of reasonable credibility are extremely rare. Simply adjusting your voice is enough to make a non-expert to believe or disbelieve you and more.
jevgeni 4y ago
Basically, any modicum of security people got by installing dashcams and home security cameras is gone. thanks.

trashtester 4y ago

This rabbit hole goes waaay deep. Why should people believe anything you say on this topic? How can they know you're not a bot or a psy-ops troll working for Xi or Putin with the mission to undermine the very fabric of Democratic societies? What truths/facts should people NOT doubt when they're using "common sense" and thinking "critically". Are we not all affected by propaganda that directly targets what we consider "facts" and "common sense"? So, to complete the paradox, I will claim one "fact": As humans there are VERY FEW "facts" we can know from first principles, and there are even fewer pinciples we can now for a fact to be universal, or even useful. We DEPEND on at least some authorities, whether those are people, institutions, ideas or beliefs. When someone says "think critically!", they mean that you should put some higher burden of evidence on SOME of your beliefs. But not all, and definitely not those that this someone take as axiomatical truths. An my main worry is not to find some celebrity's face on PornHub. My main concern is the day when almost everything we see that claims to be news has been tampered with in such a way. If we have now way to tell a deepfake from a true video, we can be made to believe absolutely anything. This can be used to ruin lives, trigger wars, including civil wars, cause nuclear holocaust. And it's already happening. Twitter is full of lies of every kind and from all parties and countries. We may need to find a way back to a world where there is one main shared narrative that we can all more or less trust. Where the custodians of the institutions that provide the narrative understand the need to maintain the trust and the risks involved in undermining the trust for personal gain, and where there are checks and balances that removes bad actors from such positions. Without this, I believe we're f'ed, but HOW to obtain it, I don't know.

qwerty456127 4y ago
> Why should people believe anything you say on this topic? They shouldn't. I would just be glad if they would analyse my oppinion and try to understand what do I mean. Whenever I mention a fact they should check it if they consider it important. > How can they know you're not a bot or a psy-ops troll working for Xi or Putin with the mission to undermine the very fabric of Democratic societies? I am a psy-ops troll working for myself, my mission is to destroy unconscious beliefs, help people choose their own perception and beliefs counsciously, develop habits to exercise valid logic and become unmanipulatable and happy this way. Perhaps this indeed can undermine the fabric of Democratic societies. Democratic (let alone autocratic) is not free, it generally is a dictate of opportunist manipulators who manage to mesmerize the majority (while majority is never too bright). Isn't it?' > As humans there are VERY FEW "facts" we can know from first principles "A person looking like this is being shown on TV waying that right now" is a fact (not 100% reliable, perhaps I'v dreaming, but it most probably is). The statement he announces is not a fact, probably a lie. But now we can speculate about why would he say that now, given current context, how probable it is he is nit a deepfake and whether or not does this matter. Only 5 different regular polyhedra forms can exist in euclidean 3D space - this is another fact.
- trashtester 4y ago
  > I am a psy-ops troll working for myself, So you say. How can I know you're not lying even there? > Only 5 different regular polyhedra forms can exist in euclidean 3D space - this is another fact. Most people are no more able to verify this statement than statements about 11-dimensional string theory. If you have their trust, they will belive you, otherwise, not. Regardless of whether it's true. This goes all the way down. If highly educated and intelligent people are not able to overcome their diffences and clearly state what math and science is saying, including what the error bars are, and for all domains (including climate and sociobiology), people will distrust scentists they see as aligned with the other side.
  - qwerty456127 4y ago
    > How can I know you're not lying even there? You never know. People mostly just believe what and whom they feel like believing. People having an idea of reasonable credibility are extremely rare. Simply adjusting your voice is enough to make a non-expert to believe or disbelieve you and more.

jevgeni 4y ago

Basically, any modicum of security people got by installing dashcams and home security cameras is gone. thanks.