yes that's what i was getting at theorys all very well but you need to be able to apply this to real world which is what most employers of programmers want. My

yes that's what i was getting at theorys all very well but you need to be able to apply this to real world which is what most employers of programmers want. My first job after school (as a technical programmer) was at an Elite RnmD organistion (our boss was the mechanical engineers president at the time) and I remember I was told one way to think about it is that "engineers" are scientists with thumbs.