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Bit disappointed at the level of discussion here, 90% of the comments are generic bitching about Teams. This press release really takes a while to get to the de

Bit disappointed at the level of discussion here, 90% of the comments are generic bitching about Teams. This press release really takes a while to get to the detail, but actually I think some this is great. The automated minutes are great feature, I know it's not going to be perfect but it'll pick up most of the heavy lifting which is kind of brilliant because it's always a PITA to be the notes taker. It doesn't even need to be particularly good, if I can just say "GPT Action Item:Blah" as part of our conversation in the meeting and it'll do the notes for me that's pretty cool. The summary and time markers I'm less bothered about, since it kind of assumes you'll record the meeting and come back and search through it, which I guess does sometimes happen, but not too often. It's quite exciting that we're getting some proper applications of the technology that make sense. When the whole Crypto/Web3 boom was going on there was this constant question of "Yeah, but what actual use case are you solving". I think it's much easier to see an answer to that with ChatGPT style tech.

PoignardAzur 4y ago
Yeah, there some good features in there. I've wanted automated summaries of meetings for a long time.
deng 4y ago
> Bit disappointed at the level of discussion here, 90% of the comments are generic bitching about Teams. Because MS really needs to get their priorities straight. What good are AI meeting notes if the absolute basics of a VC/Chat software don't work properly? Just from the past few days, I've had - Chat messages turning up hours later, or are not shown as new and I see them later by accident - Images in chats are not loading - In VC, I can't see people who have joined the meeting after me - Status is stuck on "away" although I'm working with Teams - Having to set up my audio/video setting for each new meeting again Maybe fix these things first before working on AI meeting notes? But the fact is: many companies only use Teams because they have an Office365 subscription anyway and don't want to spend $$$ on an actually good VC/Chat solution. So yes, sorry, but it's really, really hard to get excited about AI meeting notes in Teams. > It's quite exciting that we're getting some proper applications of the technology that make sense. The technology already makes sense, in the form of ChatGPT. I use it every day.
- Terretta 4y ago
  > an actually good VC/Chat solution For actually good, collaboration isn't limited to video chat. In particular, live collaboration on content is key. In an office, for office workers, turns out that's mostly Word, Excel ... Devs don't realize this, because Git. But in office land, that was not really a solved problem. Places have nasty "Drive G" NAS solutions, with nasty permissioning management (or office gives up and gives everyone permission to everything). Teams "Files" tab converges that, as does the Share icon, to where you're not "presenting your screen" to collaborate on the content, you can actually launch everyone's native PowerPoint or Word or Excel, see everyone's icon and cursor, and genuinely collaborate in real time on the content. Permissions are managed by Team and Channel, which make sense to everyone. Behind the scenes, all content access and permissions changes are fully audited, so the experience is fully compliant. These things make it "actually good" for role based access to regulated compliant collaboration.
- bradwood 4y ago
  100% -- The expressions "polishing a turd" or "putting lipstick on a pig" come to mind.
lelandfe 4y ago
I’m also thinking about the privacy side of things. Video calls are used as a chance to talk candidly about management woes to colleagues. People talk much more freely on calls than they do in the messages of Slack or Teams. Then auto-transcription hit, but I figured no one was going to read the thousands of lines of dialogue the org produces to mine for juicy tidbits. Now, every meeting is automatically summarized by AI. I would not be surprised to see some 3rd party plug-in coming soon that flags to management when people express negative feelings, reveal secrets, or more on meetings. Why have your your employees fill out some happiness Likert score when you can just do sentiment analysis on their voices? Passively determine who plans to leave, who leaked the report, and more.
jbm 4y ago
> "Generic Bitching" I feel targeted. Here is some detailed complaining about Teams and why I feel a bullshit "note taker" AI is not appropriate place to put development effort. 1. It really does crash my Google Chrome window every 45 minutes to two hours. This is literally the only application that does it, so it bears mentioning. 2. It gets 2FA and security wrong. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32337777 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32337777 If you can't get 2FA correct, or enable your program to create inappropriate configurations that are going to screw up in a "serious business program", then yes, you have to fix the feature pipeline so that gets resolved first and that the process of deploying features incentivizes fixing these issues. Otherwise every new feature is just 10 new bugs. 3. It doesn't work well in languages that use IMEs I can't tag people in chat rooms (due to it's failure to correctly search for Kanji names), and it hijacking my text input and wrecking the Japanese language input. Yes, being *unable to correctly input text* in a corporate chat application is far, far, far more important than this meaningless, worthless feature that will be used poorly 5% of the time and will be completely wrong in the language I am using anyways. 4. Note taking doesn't matter. I can't believe that in 2023 people don't already get meeting bullet points before the meeting starts. We have our notes all on Azure Devops (which is, in comparison, tolerable) "Nice for the note taker, awful for the productive worker" is a perfect description of Teams. This is not exciting in any way, I stand by my "generic bitching".

PoignardAzur 4y ago

Yeah, there some good features in there. I've wanted automated summaries of meetings for a long time.

deng 4y ago

> Bit disappointed at the level of discussion here, 90% of the comments are generic bitching about Teams. Because MS really needs to get their priorities straight. What good are AI meeting notes if the absolute basics of a VC/Chat software don't work properly? Just from the past few days, I've had - Chat messages turning up hours later, or are not shown as new and I see them later by accident - Images in chats are not loading - In VC, I can't see people who have joined the meeting after me - Status is stuck on "away" although I'm working with Teams - Having to set up my audio/video setting for each new meeting again Maybe fix these things first before working on AI meeting notes? But the fact is: many companies only use Teams because they have an Office365 subscription anyway and don't want to spend $$$ on an actually good VC/Chat solution. So yes, sorry, but it's really, really hard to get excited about AI meeting notes in Teams. > It's quite exciting that we're getting some proper applications of the technology that make sense. The technology already makes sense, in the form of ChatGPT. I use it every day.

Terretta 4y ago
> an actually good VC/Chat solution For actually good, collaboration isn't limited to video chat. In particular, live collaboration on content is key. In an office, for office workers, turns out that's mostly Word, Excel ... Devs don't realize this, because Git. But in office land, that was not really a solved problem. Places have nasty "Drive G" NAS solutions, with nasty permissioning management (or office gives up and gives everyone permission to everything). Teams "Files" tab converges that, as does the Share icon, to where you're not "presenting your screen" to collaborate on the content, you can actually launch everyone's native PowerPoint or Word or Excel, see everyone's icon and cursor, and genuinely collaborate in real time on the content. Permissions are managed by Team and Channel, which make sense to everyone. Behind the scenes, all content access and permissions changes are fully audited, so the experience is fully compliant. These things make it "actually good" for role based access to regulated compliant collaboration.
bradwood 4y ago
100% -- The expressions "polishing a turd" or "putting lipstick on a pig" come to mind.

lelandfe 4y ago

I’m also thinking about the privacy side of things. Video calls are used as a chance to talk candidly about management woes to colleagues. People talk much more freely on calls than they do in the messages of Slack or Teams. Then auto-transcription hit, but I figured no one was going to read the thousands of lines of dialogue the org produces to mine for juicy tidbits. Now, every meeting is automatically summarized by AI. I would not be surprised to see some 3rd party plug-in coming soon that flags to management when people express negative feelings, reveal secrets, or more on meetings. Why have your your employees fill out some happiness Likert score when you can just do sentiment analysis on their voices? Passively determine who plans to leave, who leaked the report, and more.

jbm 4y ago

> "Generic Bitching" I feel targeted. Here is some detailed complaining about Teams and why I feel a bullshit "note taker" AI is not appropriate place to put development effort. 1. It really does crash my Google Chrome window every 45 minutes to two hours. This is literally the only application that does it, so it bears mentioning. 2. It gets 2FA and security wrong. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32337777 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32337777 If you can't get 2FA correct, or enable your program to create inappropriate configurations that are going to screw up in a "serious business program", then yes, you have to fix the feature pipeline so that gets resolved first and that the process of deploying features incentivizes fixing these issues. Otherwise every new feature is just 10 new bugs. 3. It doesn't work well in languages that use IMEs I can't tag people in chat rooms (due to it's failure to correctly search for Kanji names), and it hijacking my text input and wrecking the Japanese language input. Yes, being *unable to correctly input text* in a corporate chat application is far, far, far more important than this meaningless, worthless feature that will be used poorly 5% of the time and will be completely wrong in the language I am using anyways. 4. Note taking doesn't matter. I can't believe that in 2023 people don't already get meeting bullet points before the meeting starts. We have our notes all on Azure Devops (which is, in comparison, tolerable) "Nice for the note taker, awful for the productive worker" is a perfect description of Teams. This is not exciting in any way, I stand by my "generic bitching".