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>>The combined actions of the US and Russia have probably turned Ukraine into the next Afghanistan First of all - it's actions of Russia and Russia alone. Sec
by gambiting 4y ago
>>The combined actions of the US and Russia have probably turned Ukraine into the next Afghanistan
First of all - it's actions of Russia and Russia alone.
Second, I think this comment shows zero understanding of the war in Afganistan, because otherwise this comparison would never be made. Tldr: Agfanistan took so long and had such abysmal results because most Afgans didn't actually care about the Taliban, or western democracy, or even Afganistan as a country at all. The presence of western militaries was tolerated at best, despised at worst. Also there are only a handful of cases in modern history where fighting against militia on their own territory has been successful - so in a way what happened in Afganistan isn't surprising(hindsight, eh?).
Ukraine is listerally nothing like this. Ukraine and Ukrainians are fighting a foreign aggressor who is trying to take its land and kill its people by military force - and they have every right to defend themselves.
With the way the war is going, it's (I hope) likely that Russia will be pushed back and out of Ukraine. If that happens, the West will help them rebuild and they will be admitted to EU and maybe even NATO(I'm not so sure about that last one, but we'll see). There is literally no possibility of Afganistan scenario here.
- zx85wes 4y ago[flagged]
- gambiting 4y agoThere were Poles fighting on the side of the Germans when my country was attacked in WW2, that doesn't change the fact that Germany attacked Poland and it was German aggression that started WW2. No one is ignoring that fact - it's just that it's very much an exception, unlike in Afganistan where majority of the country was either clearly on the Taliban side or was at least indifferent to them.
- jacquesm 4y agoYou, and other Russia apologists are ignoring so many major facts that your continuous harping on small and insignificant facts is not going to convince anybody. And that's before we get into forced conscription, outright blackmail, genocide, the murder of countless civilians and the general state of the part of Ukraine that got 'liberated' by Russia. Spare us the strawmen.
- denton-scratch 4y ago> before we get into forced conscription All conscription is forced; that's what the word means.
- jacquesm 4y agoThank you for the correction, you are correct. This is the drawback of arguing on a forum where you are not using your first language. But I hope that even if that was doubled up it did not stop anybody from understanding what I meant.
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