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>It is that simple - what exactly makes you imply that it is not? Have you thought about that statement for literally more than a minute? If you abolish the p
by automatic6131 4y ago
>It is that simple - what exactly makes you imply that it is not?
Have you thought about that statement for literally more than a minute?
If you abolish the police, and fire every officer, what do you replace them with?
Here are some options:
Literally nothing - Okay, and the next time a man murders his partner, does that man just carry on? Who arrests him, who investigates? This option is clearly worse than the existing system. The rich pay for private security and the poor are terrorised by organised criminal gangs.
Something about "community policing" - Who appoints them? Who pays them? Are you, at best, just recreating the police with zero institutional knowledge and experience? At worst, this is just a power vacuum that will be filled by the only other organised violent group - criminal gangs.
Something about despatching social workers before interpersonal crime happens, and maybe abolish capitalism so theft and sexual assault will (magically) no longer be an issue - wishful thinking.
Do you have any better options?
- shakes_mcjunkie 4y ago> Something about despatching social workers before interpersonal crime happens, and maybe abolish capitalism so theft and sexual assault will (magically) no longer be an issue - wishful thinking. Nice job conflating a real solution in with a bunch of straw men.
- Tostino 4y agoBut if they didn't use strawman arguments it wouldn't have been so easy for GP to throw up their hands and say "I guess we shouldn't do anything at all then" in essence.
- pksebben 4y agoit's the institutional knowledge that's the problem. Policing has an entrenched culture that reinforces bad behavior - I would take a fresh set of cops with no connection to the one we currently have any day. Of course, this is anyhow a symptom and not a primary diagnosis. The police, and many institutions like them, exist the way they do because of a body politik fundamentally disconnected from the populous. That is to say, shitty cops aren't a problem for the powerful elite, so they're not a problem.
- YurgenJurgensen 4y agoThe problem is actually even worse than that. Abolishing the police effectively means ending the state. Who pays taxes without the police? The courts have no means of enforcing judgements against tax-evaders without the police, and without taxes, the rest of the state ceases to function.
- nisegami 4y agoNow you're getting it. The goal is reclaiming the right to violence as expression from the state.