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So is there a light, Windows 9x-like (so really really fast and responsive) shell for Windows 10? I cannot believe how unresponsive Windows 10 is, the menus, w

So is there a light, Windows 9x-like (so really really fast and responsive) shell for Windows 10? I cannot believe how unresponsive Windows 10 is, the menus, windows, all opening with so huge delays, it's a disgrace.

Bayart 4y ago
If know of things from the UNIX world, like Blackbox for Windows.
askonomm 4y ago
I don't know, with 64GB 6000mhz RAM and Ryzen 9 7950X processor, things are instant for me on Windows 11, and even faster on Windows 10. Surely nobody runs on Windows on any lesser system?
- anthk 4y ago
  Get Virtualbox. Install Windows 2000 or XP or an old Linux with KDE 3.15 on it. Notice the lack of latency, notice how it flies and there's no delay on displaying the widgets and typing on a text editor or a word processor.
  - M95D 4y ago
    I hate to say it to you, but there a VERY BIG latency on anything newer than Win95! VERY BIG. The Win95 Explorer is the last that doesn't have Internet Explorer embedded in it. It keeps the whole start menu in memory. Starting with Win98 (or was it Win95OSR2? - can't remebember) they added IE into everything. From then on, opening the start menu requires a disk read. Also, you can't really experience the no-latency speed of Win95 if you use virtualization. You probably got used to Win7/10/11 latency so much, that even WinXP with virtualisation feels fast. Trust me: that isn't fast.
    - anthk 4y ago
      w98 could be debloated, the same with w95 without that sp. On XP, well, with the classic theme it can run pretty fast. But I woudn't use propietary OSes today except for nostalgia experiments on secluded VM's.
  - integricho 4y ago
    Yes, that's exactly the feel I'd like to have with a modern operating system also!
    - UncleSlacky 4y ago
      KDE 3.15 was forked to Trinity Desktop and is still actively developed - it's also a default desktop for Q4OS Trinity, EXE GNU/Linux and PCLinuxOS: https://trinitydesktop.org/ https://trinitydesktop.org/
- aliqot 4y ago
  jeeeesus, do you dump old beer and banana peels into that thing or does it take unleaded?
  - kab0b 4y ago
    unleaded? That thing needs bunker fuel to keep it running.
  - askonomm 4y ago
    The souls of environmentalists.
- AtlasBarfed 4y ago
  Did you recently install? Wait a year. I'm a linux home user, does Windows still do that slow-down-gradually thing?
  - askonomm 4y ago
    Honestly no clue, built this machine a few months ago, and built it with the thought that even an inefficient OS would not be able to get slow anytime soon.
  - thesh4d0w 4y ago
    > I'm a linux home user, does Windows still do that slow-down-gradually thing? Not in my experience. My installs go years without a reformat and reboots are usually only due to updates.
doix 4y ago
Back when I was forced to use windows, I used ClassicShell[0], but it looks like it's abandoned now. The spiritual successor seems to be OpenShell [1]. I can't remember if the shell was enough, but I remember that all the store apps were disabled, search in the start menu didn't search online, no cortana stuff, it was actually quite usable. You might need the non-home edition to do some of the those things, I think group policies were involved. It's been a long time though, I've been using Linux for everything ever since Proton became good enough for gaming. [0] http://www.classicshell.net/ http://www.classicshell.net/ (not https) [1] https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu
- integricho 4y ago
  This looks like a step in the right direction, I haven't tried them though, must check them out, I hope they don't bring just the looks, but the performance and latency characteristics of those old systems as well!
- idiocrat 4y ago
  In addition to OpenShell, I am also using RamMichael's "7+ Taskbar Tweaker". https://tweaker.ramensoftware.com/ https://tweaker.ramensoftware.com/ It is working on Win 10, but not supported om Win 11 anymore. The lightweight app lets me define the taskbar behavior.
leeman2016 4y ago
Using Windows 10 with the 6th Gen 6700 HQ, 16 GB ram and an SSD. There are some annoying lags here and there. Like the login screen, for example. Lock the PC (Windows Key + L) followed by CTRL key to activate the password prompt, and immediately put in my password ... then the 1st one or two characters from my password won't usually make it into the password input.
- happymellon 4y ago
  My Mac does the same.
- hulitu 4y ago
  This is one of the long living bugs in Win 10 which won't be fixed.
- jcelerier 4y ago
  modern software which does this is soooo infuriating, when you have the muscle memory of typing entire sets of commands before the UI even showed up and it just registered them all and did them perfectly
boxingdog 4y ago
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Bayart 4y ago

If know of things from the UNIX world, like Blackbox for Windows.

askonomm 4y ago

I don't know, with 64GB 6000mhz RAM and Ryzen 9 7950X processor, things are instant for me on Windows 11, and even faster on Windows 10. Surely nobody runs on Windows on any lesser system?

anthk 4y ago
Get Virtualbox. Install Windows 2000 or XP or an old Linux with KDE 3.15 on it. Notice the lack of latency, notice how it flies and there's no delay on displaying the widgets and typing on a text editor or a word processor.
- M95D 4y ago
  I hate to say it to you, but there a VERY BIG latency on anything newer than Win95! VERY BIG. The Win95 Explorer is the last that doesn't have Internet Explorer embedded in it. It keeps the whole start menu in memory. Starting with Win98 (or was it Win95OSR2? - can't remebember) they added IE into everything. From then on, opening the start menu requires a disk read. Also, you can't really experience the no-latency speed of Win95 if you use virtualization. You probably got used to Win7/10/11 latency so much, that even WinXP with virtualisation feels fast. Trust me: that isn't fast.
  - anthk 4y ago
    w98 could be debloated, the same with w95 without that sp. On XP, well, with the classic theme it can run pretty fast. But I woudn't use propietary OSes today except for nostalgia experiments on secluded VM's.
- integricho 4y ago
  Yes, that's exactly the feel I'd like to have with a modern operating system also!
  - UncleSlacky 4y ago
    KDE 3.15 was forked to Trinity Desktop and is still actively developed - it's also a default desktop for Q4OS Trinity, EXE GNU/Linux and PCLinuxOS: https://trinitydesktop.org/ https://trinitydesktop.org/
aliqot 4y ago
jeeeesus, do you dump old beer and banana peels into that thing or does it take unleaded?
- kab0b 4y ago
  unleaded? That thing needs bunker fuel to keep it running.
- askonomm 4y ago
  The souls of environmentalists.
AtlasBarfed 4y ago
Did you recently install? Wait a year. I'm a linux home user, does Windows still do that slow-down-gradually thing?
- askonomm 4y ago
  Honestly no clue, built this machine a few months ago, and built it with the thought that even an inefficient OS would not be able to get slow anytime soon.
- thesh4d0w 4y ago
  > I'm a linux home user, does Windows still do that slow-down-gradually thing? Not in my experience. My installs go years without a reformat and reboots are usually only due to updates.

doix 4y ago

Back when I was forced to use windows, I used ClassicShell[0], but it looks like it's abandoned now. The spiritual successor seems to be OpenShell [1]. I can't remember if the shell was enough, but I remember that all the store apps were disabled, search in the start menu didn't search online, no cortana stuff, it was actually quite usable. You might need the non-home edition to do some of the those things, I think group policies were involved. It's been a long time though, I've been using Linux for everything ever since Proton became good enough for gaming. [0] http://www.classicshell.net/ http://www.classicshell.net/ (not https) [1] https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu

integricho 4y ago
This looks like a step in the right direction, I haven't tried them though, must check them out, I hope they don't bring just the looks, but the performance and latency characteristics of those old systems as well!
idiocrat 4y ago
In addition to OpenShell, I am also using RamMichael's "7+ Taskbar Tweaker". https://tweaker.ramensoftware.com/ https://tweaker.ramensoftware.com/ It is working on Win 10, but not supported om Win 11 anymore. The lightweight app lets me define the taskbar behavior.

leeman2016 4y ago

Using Windows 10 with the 6th Gen 6700 HQ, 16 GB ram and an SSD. There are some annoying lags here and there. Like the login screen, for example. Lock the PC (Windows Key + L) followed by CTRL key to activate the password prompt, and immediately put in my password ... then the 1st one or two characters from my password won't usually make it into the password input.

happymellon 4y ago
My Mac does the same.
hulitu 4y ago
This is one of the long living bugs in Win 10 which won't be fixed.
jcelerier 4y ago
modern software which does this is soooo infuriating, when you have the muscle memory of typing entire sets of commands before the UI even showed up and it just registered them all and did them perfectly

boxingdog 4y ago

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