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Consolation prize of a city priced like it came in 1st. I really dislike it. So leave. Muni coverage is a joke Okay, what? The service standard is that al

Consolation prize of a city priced like it came in 1st. I really dislike it. So leave. Muni coverage is a joke Okay, what? The service standard is that all residential neighborhoods are within ¼ mile of a Muni stop. As someone who lived west of Twin Peaks for a while, I've yet to see a better connected city. Even at 3AM I could make my way home and get dropped off pretty much around the corner from where I lived. It's not fast, but Muni will get you nearly anywhere in the city nearly 24x7. the fact that the Van Ness Corridor is the only real rapid transit bus line in the entire city is insane NIMBYs aside, why? There are only maybe two other corridors where BRT would make sense (Geary - in progress, Mission – no BRT but bus only lanes as of a few years ago). The other major Muni corridors (Judah, Taraval, Ocean) are covered by light rail, and those have seen a variety of improvements (e.g. boarding islands, transit only lanes, no left turns, etc.) in the past five years or so. For actual diverse food there are clusters of places in places like parts the Mission, but with such crappy transportation actually getting to those clusters is a massive pain. Say what? The Mission is incredibly transit rich with 24x7 service along a couple trunk lines, BART (and late night AC Transit buses), etc. The city mostly shuts down at an absurd hour. Trying to run errands at 10pm feels like trying to run them at 3 am in most major cities. I think you're conflating New York with most major cities here. Even the London and Tokyo metros don't run 24x7. Most cities, big or small, tend to shut down at night. New York is very much an outlier.

BoorishBears 4y ago
> So leave. If you couldn't piece it together, I'm tolerating living here for things other than the sake of my enjoyment... > within ¼ mile of a Muni stop So is that why half of your bus lines make so many stops that they're practically unusable? Most of your comment is about detailed improvements and rationale behind that system... I'm not a transportation planner: instead I just look at the reality that getting 2.6 miles from my neighborhood by the Panhandle to the Mission is a 15 minute drive, but a 35 minute bus ride that takes 24 stops. And it's not that's some unusual thing, I shared the example above, that Marina District to Financial District goes from a 30 minute with ~3 miles of transit a 40 minute ride ~7 mile ride across half the city to skirt around car traffic. - That's what indicates to me that this city needs more BRT lines: Interruptions are one thing, but you're not going to find yourself needing to travel halfway across most major cities in the wrong direction because traffic messes up the direct route every single day > I think you're conflating New York with most major cities here. Even the London and Tokyo metros don't run 24x7. Most cities, big or small, tend to shut down at night. New York is very much an outlier. I think you're misreading the comment: The point is that for most major cities "at 3 am you expect a most things to be closed" is a such an obvious concept. But here in SF 10 pm might as well be "3 am".
- inferiorhuman 4y ago
  And it's not that's some unusual thing, I shared the example above, that Marina District to Financial District goes from a 30 minute with ~3 miles of transit a 40 minute ride ~7 mile ride across half the city to skirt around car traffic. No, that's just you avoiding the direct route because you insist on using rail. Pre-COVID there was the 30X to shuttle marina bros to the financial district. The subway to nowhere killed off the 41 which would've also gotten you from the Marina to the Financial District without having to go all the way to the Castro. As-is there are plenty of more direct routes: e.g. Van Ness to California to cable car, F to the Embarcadero and walk, etc. If you insist on taking the most obtuse route then yeah it's going to be a ridiculous journey. I think you're misreading the comment: The point is that for most major cities "at 3 am you expect a most things to be closed" is a such an obvious concept. But here in SF 10 pm might as well be "3 am". Yeah, no. New York City is often called "the city that never sleeps" precisely because it's so unusual to never shut down. Cities all around the world shut down early or at odd hours. For example: for a long time pubs were legally required to close at 11 PM in the UK. Try running errands in Germany on Sunday sometime… Try getting anything to eat in Barcelona in the middle of the day. New York is not representative of major cities around the world.

BoorishBears 4y ago

> So leave. If you couldn't piece it together, I'm tolerating living here for things other than the sake of my enjoyment... > within ¼ mile of a Muni stop So is that why half of your bus lines make so many stops that they're practically unusable? Most of your comment is about detailed improvements and rationale behind that system... I'm not a transportation planner: instead I just look at the reality that getting 2.6 miles from my neighborhood by the Panhandle to the Mission is a 15 minute drive, but a 35 minute bus ride that takes 24 stops. And it's not that's some unusual thing, I shared the example above, that Marina District to Financial District goes from a 30 minute with ~3 miles of transit a 40 minute ride ~7 mile ride across half the city to skirt around car traffic. - That's what indicates to me that this city needs more BRT lines: Interruptions are one thing, but you're not going to find yourself needing to travel halfway across most major cities in the wrong direction because traffic messes up the direct route every single day > I think you're conflating New York with most major cities here. Even the London and Tokyo metros don't run 24x7. Most cities, big or small, tend to shut down at night. New York is very much an outlier. I think you're misreading the comment: The point is that for most major cities "at 3 am you expect a most things to be closed" is a such an obvious concept. But here in SF 10 pm might as well be "3 am".

inferiorhuman 4y ago
And it's not that's some unusual thing, I shared the example above, that Marina District to Financial District goes from a 30 minute with ~3 miles of transit a 40 minute ride ~7 mile ride across half the city to skirt around car traffic. No, that's just you avoiding the direct route because you insist on using rail. Pre-COVID there was the 30X to shuttle marina bros to the financial district. The subway to nowhere killed off the 41 which would've also gotten you from the Marina to the Financial District without having to go all the way to the Castro. As-is there are plenty of more direct routes: e.g. Van Ness to California to cable car, F to the Embarcadero and walk, etc. If you insist on taking the most obtuse route then yeah it's going to be a ridiculous journey. I think you're misreading the comment: The point is that for most major cities "at 3 am you expect a most things to be closed" is a such an obvious concept. But here in SF 10 pm might as well be "3 am". Yeah, no. New York City is often called "the city that never sleeps" precisely because it's so unusual to never shut down. Cities all around the world shut down early or at odd hours. For example: for a long time pubs were legally required to close at 11 PM in the UK. Try running errands in Germany on Sunday sometime… Try getting anything to eat in Barcelona in the middle of the day. New York is not representative of major cities around the world.